Sigh.
You'll have to ask Sony why they made the decisions they did, but the PS5 is certainly the result of a clear vision.
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PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive [Digital Foundry]
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this is too good lmao. pretty much exactly whats going on. lmao
I'd say we should wait for third party comparisons at launch, then we will know. Until then most of the speculation is pointless, although very rarely have less Tflops and slower CPU speeds translated into better results on screen.
He himself didn't say Cerny was pulling a fast one, he was given info from said software developer and that's one of the things that was said.
It's not really egregious...
I'd wager we have to wait for game engines to be optimized for the new architecture rather than the Jaguar cores as mentioned in the video as well. Either way, the specs shown aren't different enough to be considered blown out of the water given that both consoles have advantages in different areas.
This is precisely what I think as well.
These consoles are really close, they will have their own advantages. Both are great and represent bigger jumps relatively to their predecessors compared to XB1/PS4.
Unfortunately that is not the outcome that some fanboys wanted, they wanted a reversal of what happened last gen, since it isn't happening in reality and they feel insecure they want to make it happen through misinformation and concern trolling.
It's stupid because since it's fake it won't stick, it will be easily debunked and people involved in this bullshit will simply lose credibility. It also makes discussions tedious and annoying if not total shitshows like this thread has become.
Hopefully things will get better but I doubt it....
I don't think it blows it out of the water, I think MS edged out the PS5 and they'll both be the same price.
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This thread is about the Digital Foundry Deep Dive of the PS5 and what that means for playstation going forward. This thread is not about the XSX or conspiracy theories about journalists reporting on these matters via meta commentary or tangents
There is only up from here.
DF as expected created another awesome video detailing technical specifications of the PS5. I absolutely am excited for the further reveals about the console.
The DF crew does some good work. I love their analysis and look forward to more insight as move closer to launch.
I feel I always learn more after watching their videos.
Pretty much feel the same way nowadays. I have become addicted to this place. I think it's best to stick to console screenshot thread and only pose questions when I have them. The gaming threads, especially when concerning PS5 thread (and I have been told similar for XSX thread) turns into an absolute shithole.
Excellent video, really augments what Cerny mentioned in his talk.
To be honest, now all I want to see is the physical hardware and the games.
My man! That bass is so good. Adventure of Batman & Robin (Jesper Kyd!) and Yuzo Koshiro (Streets of Rage trilogy, Revenge of Shinobi, Beyond Oasis) hype!
What's going on in this thread? People acting like the same didn't happen when the PS4 ended up being more powerful than the Xbox One. Happens with every console release. People just choose to pay attention when it affects them most. Don't act like we've been blindsided by this.
Either way, at this point Sony just needs to show something more significant or discussion is going to get worse and worse as time passes. I try not to reply much and just read for the entertainment at this point lol
Either way, at this point Sony just needs to show something more significant or discussion is going to get worse and worse as time passes. I try not to reply much and just read for the entertainment at this point lol
Me too, it's a competition between an excellent synth chip and a mediocre wavetable chip. Games using non-default sound fonts on the SNES can sound amazing though.
Btw, since the Tempest audio engine is structured like Cell SPUs and has a local store + manual DMA, and it has a theoretical top end close to the Cell, is there any chance Sony's going go the old BC route of using a previous gen CPU for the audio of the current one? :) Yes, I know it's actually an AMD CU, but it sounds like it should be pretty close to being able to run SPU code.
holy shit lol
What did y'all do? At least the last 7 pages would explain why I was seemingly removed from what I assume was the linked discord.
Think Sony have made a box they wanted to make from day 1. They've never been about making the strongest possible box just for the sake of it.
What did y'all do? At least the last 7 pages would explain why I was seemingly removed from what I assume was the linked discord.
Think Sony have made a box they wanted to make from day 1. They've never been about making the strongest possible box just for the sake of it.
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It's neither confirmed or dis-confirmed.
And it's merely an API/driver implementation I suspect with it being RDNA2 based hardware underneath.
The graphics API feature-set is largely undisclosed as it is the larger hardware aspects that has been touched upon.
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I came across a quote in my work gaming chat room that if the SNES chip gave the sound of a symphony orchestra, the MD chip gave the sound of punk rock.
No idea where it originated from, but it feels bang on the money to me.
Yes need to learn to filter out the usual BS, especially if official sources can't be named.
I find it extremely hard to believe Sony would risk putting out a disaster of a console when Playstation is now one of their key pillars and biggest earners.
Also the accusation that they only decided to up the clocks last minute because of XSX is pretty laughable. That seems like a rookie move and PS/Sony are no rookies in the console space.
Anyway back to the topic at hand, great video from DF team and looking forward to future content. Hopefully its just around the corner!
Maybe now we have a bit of a gap until TLoU2 releases, Sony will be a bit more open to dropping more info without fear of overshadowing upcoming games.
DF didn't state that Sony doesn't have VRS support. Just that Sony has not confirmed having it yet. Could still go either way, we will just have to wait for Sony to release more info.
Dude, take this day off and clear your mind. Console war is not worthy.
I always found the more grungy sound of the MD sound chip far more appealing than the much cleaner SNES chip. I can have numerous MD soundtracks running through my head but struggle to come up with many from the SNES.
One thing I'm still not clear on... does the power limit on the PS5 allow for both the CPU and GPU to run at their highest/capped frequency? I'm guess no or otherwise there would be no need to divert power.
If not, then what I'd be curious to know is what is the highest possible CPU frequency when GPU is running at max frequency and what is highest possible GPU frequency when the CPU is running at max frequency?
If not, then what I'd be curious to know is what is the highest possible CPU frequency when GPU is running at max frequency and what is highest possible GPU frequency when the CPU is running at max frequency?
Did you watch the video? I think they say pretty clearly that the PS5 actually can run both the CPU and GPU at max clocks at the same time depending on power draw which in turn relies on how heavy the workload is.
I'm pretty sure Cerny said multiple times that both can run at max frequency at the same time.
Clock is not the same as power draw.
Okay so genuine question. I'm not understanding the comments being made regarding CPU/GPU peaks and clock speeds. They're called variable, as in can fluctuate/are not fixed, but then as I understand it Cerny has confirmed both can run at max simultaneously? So why are they labelled variable? And don't just say "cause they run at different clocks depending on how intensive the game is" cause, like, don't all consoles/games do that? And then I've seen comments saying "if it's a more intensive game and there isn't enough power, one or the other will lower it's clocks accordingly". How does that pair up with both being able to run at peak performance? Is both running at peak only for very short bursts? Educate me.
They can both run max at the same time under certain workloads.
High workloads meaning lots of high end parallel processes they can't both be at max clock.
It's a bit of a catch 22 but it makes sense.
SPC-700 ? The objectively superior Sony hardware? You are finally showing your true colors! ;-)
There is an upper limit on the power that the APU can consume.
Different workloads consume different levels of power.
One workload consumes less than the power cap, allowing both the CPU and GPU to run at max clocks.
A different workload (involving AVX-256 instructions) would exceed the power budget. As such, a downclock occurs.
Well the article clearly disproved the idea that the CPU and GPU would have to tradeoff performance to run at the higher clocks which was something that seemed to be the case from the presentation.
I also thought the test between the two GPU's normalizing the TFLOPS with a 36cu and 40cu GPU was pretty interesting. I would not have thought you would see any material performance change when the FLOPS were the same but that was an interesting result.
Also nice to clear-up what appeared to be conflicting information where both sides turned out to be right (hearing from developers the need to "lock" clocks being a feature of the Devkit vs. final HW)
It looks like they have done something super interesting here which I admit I'm still wrapping my head around. Nice to get a little more detail and clarity on some of these points from DF.
I also thought the test between the two GPU's normalizing the TFLOPS with a 36cu and 40cu GPU was pretty interesting. I would not have thought you would see any material performance change when the FLOPS were the same but that was an interesting result.
Also nice to clear-up what appeared to be conflicting information where both sides turned out to be right (hearing from developers the need to "lock" clocks being a feature of the Devkit vs. final HW)
It looks like they have done something super interesting here which I admit I'm still wrapping my head around. Nice to get a little more detail and clarity on some of these points from DF.
Hope rich spend some time with the SSD talk in the vid since the text part was rather interesting and what it mean for ram management .
Primitive shader (assuming that this is what Sony calls mesh shaders) doesn't do anything remotely close to the same thing.
Wait for the graphic demonstration then. Seeing a visual difference helps.
Ah, sweet memories. In the right hands, like for instance Jesper Kyd's, that Yamaha chip could produce an amazing soundstage. I remember the Mega Drive had two processors, a 68000 and Z80. The Z80 was connected to the Yamaha chip. Looking back it seem unbelievable that the 64K of RAM of the Mega Drive was sufficient.
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Both can run at max frequency.
They don't if the instructions are more power intensive.
Cerny gave the example of 256 bit instructions would cause a downclock.