Looking at the replies, I'm guessing Jez Corben from Windows Central is the other journalist you were referring to?
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PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive [Digital Foundry]
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Which harms his credibility in this case...Windows Central is pretty partisan. There is nothing in there but conjecture and a narrative which of course leads to a sping which casts MS in an advantageous light. I given that Sony are also developing on 7nm enhanced with RDN2 and RT, I don't see how the XSX is surprising. It is a rather predictable design on that basis, particularly if they are willing to target a slightly higher RRP given they have a lower spec model in the pipeline.
Please don't tell me the FUD is starting again. Is a certain group of people really that insecure?
Are you serious? Just read it...
And I question whether you're actually interested in knowing the answer. Please keep fanboy war BS out of here.
Not buying all the doom and gloom messages, but I sure am interested in how much they've invested to cool this thing.
You just ruined the tread. First off, who is the guy with the dev friends? How are we to know it isn't nonsense? I know Rubino isn't a peddler of nonsense but who is the guy writing to begin with? Sounds like nonsense. Devs have said really nice things about PS5. If the comment is true (probably not) is it only in relation to Series X? What I mean is that PS5 can still be an amazing machine even if Series X is a much better.L solution. They both seem amazing to me even if one is better in many ways.
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Does not change that Daniel and Tom are both trusted insiders with legit sources. Tom has heard similar things as well.
If you're talking about Richard's experiment: using "X's TFLOPs are stronger than Y's" is never correct in the first place. Teraflops are Teraflops.
Now about the notion that his test indicates that the same thing will happen to PS5 vs XSX - there is no way to tell right now. 36 vs 40 CUs isn't the same as 36 vs 54 CUs. In his test it was clear that the game could easily saturate all 40 CUs of the XT - but it doesn't necessarily follow that the same would happen to 54 CUs. This is already something that happens with Turing, for example. We also don't know what effect (if any) the minor differences between RDNA and RDNA 2 will have.
Are you really going to ignore the "Microsoft-oriented" bit like it makes no difference?
Well it was already posted above so there you go. I'm not doing anything except relaying that another journalist said they heard the same thing.
It's going to be glorious. Hopefully the controller has a screen in it (fingers crossed).
And was dead on with all their leaked info, just because a site has MS in the name doesnt mean they might not have legit sources, which most recently with XSX was proven right and given props by DF.
Ruined ? Im sorry to hear that and Im going to delete my post, but I don't know where to post this, it deserves a new thread ?
I find it slightly convenient that all the people who have heard this happen to be Windows/Xbox centric journalists.
Yes, I didn't want Jez to be attacked and I hope those in here don't try and attack him for this.
I love how that rumor about resting on laurels is also hinting at PS5 Pro in 2 years time as well. That would be a whole year earlier than than PlayStation 4 -> PlayStation 4 Pro gap. Crazy.
Once the games start doing the talk no one will care. It's just like PS4 PRO vs XBO X, almost nobody gives a shit about performance. lol
At least be a bit reflective. Pot calling the kettle black on all that.
People call Jason a Sony guy but are happy to believe every rumour that comes out of the mouth of people who literally write for a Windows website.
Anything PlayStation related on this forum turns into a fucking cesspool.
We had all this shit this time last gen with Ars and Polygon too.
We had all this shit this time last gen with Ars and Polygon too.
Let me put it another way:
That post is, as far as I'm aware, not an accurate reflection of the current situation. If not completely made up by the OP, it's based on perhaps a kernel of truth (the system puts out a lot of heat and of course that is a challenging engineering problem, and consoles usually are finished just in time to launch) blown up into hyperbolic nonsense.
That post is, as far as I'm aware, not an accurate reflection of the current situation. If not completely made up by the OP, it's based on perhaps a kernel of truth (the system puts out a lot of heat and of course that is a challenging engineering problem, and consoles usually are finished just in time to launch) blown up into hyperbolic nonsense.
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Great work from DF. Very much enjoyed the video and the article. I have fewer concerns about the variable clocks now. My only remaining questions are if PS5 has enough bandwidth ( I think 512gb/s would have been a better fit for its power profile) and what it's RT performance is like. We don't know much about AMD's solution and how it scales yet so that's hard to really form conclusions on but if it scales with CUs that could be a much larger advantage for Series X than anything on paper.
I am SO shocked. Fuck me, I am SO surprised at this! Who could have thought!
By the way, these are some of the tweets Schreier is linking:
What journalist? Why won't you tell us who? Because they'll get attached lol, come on.
Ignore list approaching max levels.
That said, the more gloom and doom I read from "insiders" (lol) the more excited for PS5 I become.
If you have to do this much fear-mongering, concern trolling and flat-out lying, you've clearly got something to be afraid of.
That said, the more gloom and doom I read from "insiders" (lol) the more excited for PS5 I become.
If you have to do this much fear-mongering, concern trolling and flat-out lying, you've clearly got something to be afraid of.
It makes them not very credible when they are commenting on other platforms, at least this stage of the game. They represent a side. Not that most journalists are necessarily neutral, but these guys are part of the informal MS ecosystem, just as there are people affiliated with other platforms in a like manner. I also don't think they are particular great journalists, commenting on low quality conjecture like this, but that is another matter.
Does not explain why only people with MS background are reporting this. Confirmation bias.
Man, this thread stinks... seriously team green, you got your own threads to lick your plastic box, can't we lick ours in peace. :)
Because this thread is a about "tech deep" and that "rumour" was talking about "tech deep issues". Im sorry, I didn't pretend to drive through this thread so I deleted my post.
I was going to report it for removal and clean up but alas, this fire has run rampant.
Anyways, even though these articles provide the audience with useful insights to console technology, it's clear that it requires a level of precision communication that all parties aren't equipped to do without becoming way too technical.
People are confusing concepts like frequencies vs workloads. What "Boost" mode means in the Sony context vs AMD vs Intel etc. Hell, AnandTech dedicated an entire article over the kerfuffle between Intel vs AMD turbo boost functionality and what they mean.
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You're not in the WindowsCentral/Thurott circle of informed insiders, so you probably don't have the right sources anyway.
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