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PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive [Digital Foundry]
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Cerny said they had to customize Zen 2 cores for BC. That could be behind some of the changes.
I watched the full Cerny talk the other night and to me it seemed pretty clear if you listen to what he says that PS5 has legacy modes for base PS4 and Pro and can run those games in the native modes just fine, out of the box. The contention seemed to come from the next part which was specifically about the equivalent "Boost Mode" where some titles may run into issues, just as some titles didn't run well on the Pro in boost mode, and how there may need to be updating or specific titles to work properly in boost mode. But ultimately the PS5 can replicate running as a base PS4 or Pro just fine. People then wilfully misconstrued the entire segment and his wording and came up with totally different takes that made it sound like compatibility was on a title by title basis and not that many games.
So the PS5 can run the CPU and GPU at the max frequencies all the time, but devs can choose to dial back the frequency for games that aren't demanding so it's not running at full blast all the time (also for main menus, pause screens, map screens, etc). Am I correct?
i really want you all to stop using all the time (100%) etc as something for these systems. It can give the power required when the game calls for it, and it can use either or depending on the situation. "all the time" is not a thing in any system.
(not trying to attack you for it but this is just a general annoyance)
You joke but it is a little weird that we're in April and the only thing we know about both consoles' ability to play games is that they'll play previous generation games better.
Thank you, I'm trying to learn how these these things work. I've always had a basic idea but I'd rather learn than play armchair developer.
From what I understand, it's not about unneeded clocks but about the complexity of the instructions that the GPU is trying to process (and it's not necessarily dependent on clocks or TF numbers). Basically, it's all about power draw and you can have two scenarios were the frequencies are the same but power draw isn't. So, you can have a scenario where both the CPU and the GPU run at Max speeds but power draw is lower than another scenario where the CPU runs at a lower frequency simply because what the GPU is trying to process is "complex".
In the end, what it means is that developers are limited by the power draw and not clocks. If they want higher clocks they can have them as long as power draw isn't affected. If it is, then they'll have to lower sth (usually the cpu).
Another example of what I'm trying to say is that in theory menus, maps etc actually have higher chances running at max frequencies than more complex scenes.
Sony is basically trying to ensure very high GPU frequencies without the need of a super expensive cooling solution. If the GPU frequency was locked at 2.23 then they'd need an expensive cooling solution to cover all potential scenarios (complex GPU instructions, high ambient temperature etc). So instead of investing on an expensive cooling solution that's only really needed on 1% of potential scenarios they decided to spend on a cooling solution that caters for the 99% of scenarios and eliminate the residual 1% completely by forced throttling. They just try to make this scenario as easy on the developers as possible by providing as many tools as possible.
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No. Clocks may or may not reach max speeds, but they always do so consistently. Dev kits have options to force one clock lower so they can assume the other part will always maintain max clock, but in reality that downclocked part won't drop as much because speeds are decided by the hardware at the moment the game is running.
Schreier jumped into the comments to defend Sony so I don't know and it will probably lead to more console warring.
It seems very curious that all the developer accounts critical of the PS5 are being surfaced by journalists and fans associated with the Xbox platform...
Holy shit, Daniel is legit too, no idea about his source but still.
yeah and not to attack you on the language but even something as efficient as the sun can have some vary in its power depending on variables. But its pretty much as long as the power draw doesnt exceed their threshold they can run as much as a scene calls for, or swap things around where a scene maybe more CPU or GPU and one side needs more power to process than the other. It all depends on whats happening on screen and games are optimized to allow for the best performance they can get for the budget they have which is now based on a power budget and not a temperature budget for the hardware thats given.
No idea of his source but Daniel is trusted MS insider similar to Tom.
I saw multiple people corroborate that they've heard similar but again it's just speculation at this point.
The only way this could be FUDier is if it was penned by misterxmedia himself.
Looking at the replies it seems the person who wrote that post is a console warrior who just set his Twitter account to private?
It's also very suspect that it's being signal boosted by Xbox guys. The whole post reads like fanfic.
As a PS fanboy I dont buy it but as a Xbox fanboy yes I do believe
Do you have any sources?
Do you think the retail kit, which is only known to Sony, is easy to leak? Come on man.
Sony is trully doomed this time. PS5 will do what the PS3 failed to do, it will close Sony's gaming division once and for all.
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No but I saw a few journalists corroborate that they have heard similar.
I don't want to post them because they'll probably be attacked over it.
Jason is a Sony Pony, obviously, his piece on Naughty Dog crunch culture was just good PR for Sony!
Exactly. The first thing that came to mind when I saw that part in the clip.
Remember before RDNA 2, 2Ghz was insane to do for a console gpu. Who knows what else has changed.
Or maybe you wont post them because they look like console warrios?
Post it please. People should not attack a user for simply posting information.
Daniel Rubino is legit as it was Tom Warren saying the same things a couple of weeks ago.
I can understand the perplexity around "that" user in The Verge comment sections (which basically said also the same things), but leaks and rumors are actually consolidating in a bad trend for PS5 launch and gen in general.
Let's all wait and see what happens next.
Not really, anytime anyone says anything negative or not glowing about either console they're attacked for it. No point in doing that. I saw this story a few hours ago but didn't post it because I knew the people who shared the information would be attacked and it's happening right now.