Xbox seems to have built a great machine but it's design is just built on what's always been done. It works and it'll be awesome. Sony seems to be trying to anticipate the problems with bottlenecks and game development that will happen now that ssds are becoming mandatory. They've introduced new ways of thinking and new ways of developing games. When those new ways develop and mature they're betting that the steps they've taken now will pay off. That's exciting.
Xbox also seems to be trying to eliminate bottlenecks, they just happened to push their specs a little more than Sony. They'll both be great consoles, there's no need to be inventing secret sauce to make them seem better than they are.
No secret sauce. We know what it's going to be. The ssd and the I/O speed.
Yes, and it will help push dame design boundaries. And the PS5 will take them farther.
Will it? How much further. What will it be able to do that Series X won't?
That's what we're going to find out. Reason why I'm excited. Next gen should be awesome for fans of every console.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. The chance of Lockhart, if it's even real which I'm beginning to doubt, not having ray-tracing support are literally zero.
On the bolded- you seem very knowledgeable and i'd like to know more about the following topics below. Please elaborate how everyone has missed these techniques and design features that have always been done. Curious to see how these design features are not forward looking and will not be viable when those new ways of developing games and mature come into play.
I don't think that true. I know that's a theory that's been floated around but i don't think devs set any kinda modes to prioritize GPU or CPU performance.
I'm not knowledgeable. I could very well be wrong. Just basing my excitement off of what some devs have said and the presentations/spec leaks so far. Time will tell and I'm looking forward to it.
I think there's a serious argument that by the time that 2.4 GB/s is 'not fast enough" a new model will be out with a much better SSD.
Did you watch the Digital Foundry video on the Series X ray tracing in Minecraft?
Minecraft is path traced. Something that probably won't be done with other games to begin with. And it actually disproves your point.
They're STAGGERINGLY (wink) close. They're much closer than the PS4/XB1.
Agreed. RT being absent in Lockhart would be a failure to do right by (1) developers, in that they'd have to design different lighting pipelines between X and S, and (2) consumers, in that MS would be offering a low-end SKU that fails to provide the same experience of X albeit at reduced fidelity.
So third parties are going to tell everyone on PC to buy a ray tracing GPU in the next few years or they don't want their money? 😄
Computers use base 2 binary system, so 1kb = 1024 bytes instead of 1000 bytes.
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I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. they want to focus on pc games and part of that is scalable gaming - they can just push xsx to ultra
Oh man! Thats makes me feel better now! lmao
Kinda...
Interesting. I prepared myself for something like PS2/Xbox (graphically) after all those angry/troll posts on internet!
Wouldn't that make compatibility an issue if games were to do something with it that's not possible with the "slow" (not really) SSD? Games will target the "regular" SX as opposed to the new model and the differences will only be incremental, same as third party games targeting both the SX and PS5.
I don't think so. I think the argument, like I said, that 2.4 GB/s is weak and not fast enough 1 year later is mitigated by scaling, a necessary development pillar when facilitating both the pc and console platforms. The industry itself as a whole has moved towards that end and Microsoft first party for sure. I don't see it as being a drastic issue. Just look at Gears in ultra and the XSX improvements. Enough to make it next gen, but definitively scalable.
I was thinking of a worst case scenario that wouldn't be possible on old hardware, but something came on my mind: Devs managed to port Resogun to the Vita and Titanfall to the 360. If there's a will, there's a way.
Far closer than all previous generations. The PS360 was closer in TF numbers but the architecture was so far apart that it didn't matter.
I agree that RT won't be a focus, but there's not much sense intentionally removing it. For a much lower resolution, you have to cast many fewer rays to have the same visual quality. It scales approximately like most effects do.
You're conflating two different things here, though. Variable clock itself doesn't cause lower fan noise, that's true. The intent of the tech isn't to save power, it's to allow ambitious scenes that previously had to run under power max, to instead reach it.
This doesn't make any sense. The Xbox division isn't a bunch of burnouts in a garage, they're a highly expert and deeply resourced technical development team. You can be assured their design is informed by reams of speculation, projection, and measurement. Just because they've settled on different choices than Sony doesn't mean they're not equally (or better!) prepared for the future of games.
The 825GB figure is analogous to the 1TB figure for XSX, i.e. it doesn't factor the base10/binary conversion. I believe the usable amount equivalent to XSX's 930GB is 750GB. It remains to be seen what OS reserves will be like. You can pretty much be sure that XSX will be able to fit 1 extra AAA game, though (or multiple smaller titles).
Gears 5 on XSX does not look anything like a next gen game. It's just a very, very nice looking current-gen game. This is not an insult, it's just the reality of what it was originally built for. You'll see what I mean when the Coalition unveil Gears 6.
Actually, the devs did not do ports of either of those games. Both of them were separate productions, handled by different studios (Climax for Resogun, Bluepoint for Titanfall).
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