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PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny
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I don't really understand this because, right now, Microsoft actually does have the games. We've known since last year that Halo Infinite is a launch title and they revealed Hellblade 2 at The Game Awards. That's two substantial and well-known exclusive-to-Xbox titles already announced and being hyped whilst Sony has a relatively generic looking Looter Shooter that they aren't even publishing. Just because Microsoft's only shown "promises" doesn't make those two games any less important.
Then on the multiplat front we've seen Minecraft RTX, a Gears 5 port, and the confirmation of full Backwards Compatability for all Xbox consoles. The narrative that the PS5 is weaker than the XSX will also create a narrative of third-party multiplats being inferior which will inevitably lower hype for big titles like Cyberpunk 2077 getting released on the PS5.
All that really matters right now is the narrative, and I think Sony is doing much worse than Microsoft in managing the narrative surrounding their console.
This is just me, but I feel that this PR goof up would never have happened had Shawn Layden been in charge. That man has a keen sense for presentation. Shame he left.
The messaging for the BC is not clear. You have Cerny saying one thing, then you have this paragraph on their blogpost saying something else.
"Lastly, we're excited to confirm that the backwards compatibility features are working well. We recently took a look at the top 100 PS4 titles as ranked by play time, and we're expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch on PS5. With more than 4000 games published on PS4, we will continue the testing process and expand backwards compatibility coverage over time."
We need clarification from Sony.
Yep it seem they aim for $399 with a lost .
The question is if MS also going to go for $399.
Since you a chip guy any idea on how much the price difference between the APU could be .
I don't trust _rogame's info at all at this point.
_rogame on Twitter
“One of the drawbacks of using less CUs is less "Intersection Engines" for HW Raytracing which are tied to each shader unit Xbox Series X have 44% more Raytracing HW than PS5. That's why Microsoft is demoing "Real Time Path tracing" while Sony is talking about global illumination”twitter.com
It will be higher, assume the ROP count is the same. Will it matter? Probably not.
Not true... I've seen devs on twitter mention it off hand in a way that clearly wasn't some 'Sony approved me saying this' kind of way. And that sentiment came off the record through journalists also - would they say so to journalists anonymously? Likely they would express any concerns they might have, as they've done previously with other consoles.
I might ask - what is there to dislike here, for a developer?
It's more about historical promise. I'm fairly confident Sony has some bombshells they are waiting to announce, lots of teams have been quiet and had their heads down working. I don't think Halo Infinite and Hellblade 2 are a very strong showing, given Halo 5 and that Hellblade while a good game, was just a standout AA game, nothing to really write home about.
I think people are vastly mistaken if they think there will be a huge material difference between PS5 and XSX because of a 1.8TF difference on paper, without taking into consideration other architectural differences that might offset that discrepancy.
I hope we get more news now that the specs people fight over are known.
Show me the ds5.
A more precise analogy in car terms:
PS5 = Mazda RX-7 / RX-8: light weight rotary engine that spins fast, but it's pretty bad at fuel efficiency.
XSX = Most V8 performance cars, well balanced and absolute power is higher.
I do. Sony should have started a trailer or something for the masses. Then go into their boring as hell deep dive. Starting that off...oooophhh..disaster.
It's more that right now Sony has the games, if you were to compare libraries people would rate Sony's higher, that's what people mean when they say "PS5 will have the games"
Doesn't mean MS can't catch up or show off exciting killer app's though.
There's a standard size for the NAND chip, and they used 12 in parallel to meet their 5GB/s goal. No other magic to it.
So, 12 lanes makes 825GB of storage a "natural fit" according to Cerny. What's the math on that? Seems a bit strange on its face.
In any case, it makes me think a SKU with double the storage is an inevitability down the line by doubling each chip's size.
Probably $20-30 cheaper. Another $20-30 on RAM. There's your price difference with XSX BOM.
Indeed. They addressed developers' needs and abstracted the hard part of managing those advancements. There's a reason time to triangle was one of the first things he said again.
Yeah, MS have won the power above all else crowd, but i think Sony are doing some interesting stuff by the sounds of it.
The power delivery is constant and cooling is designed for max boost clock. If anything it'll run silent and be more reliable with variable clock.
i think Cerny had an idea of what he wanted, but supposed people who thought they knew better then him told him different shit & he had to wrk with that.
They're real people, they move, and it's the same as when Cerny gave the last presentation, this is mostly aimed at devs.
Hopefully my plat was enough hours to help put it in there.
But in all seriousness, yeah I think it'll make it.
PS twitter stated exactly what we got. Everyone who expected a reveal or anything other was fooling themselves.
This was apparently planned for some time and it's not even a reveal it's just specs, the console hasn't been unveiled like Series X was at the game awards.
Okay, so what's the verdict then. Will all PS4 games be available (or let's say most of them) to play on the PS5 at launch?
Whether or not you think they're a good showing doesn't change the fact that they have been shown. The Halo Infinite E3 2019 Demo has 2.9 million views whilst Hellblade 2 has over 3 million (across the two main Youtube postings). That's two big-budget XSX titles with amazing-looking graphics being shown before we've even had a proper 'big presentation', and that will definitely mean something in the end no matter their quality or the quality of their Xbox One predecessors.
As for the power, again this is all about narrative. People looking towards a new console purchase are going to see "which runs my Call of Duty and Fifa" better as a major selling point, and right now the overwhelming narrative is that the XSX will be the one running those better. It doesn't matter how big the difference is, and it's why it's up to Sony themselves to show people what makes the PS5 'better'.
Yep, I'm wrong about that one. Though I'm not sure how they are going to determine when to throttle, as Cerny also specifically was talking about worst case scenarios. Frankly Cerny used some massive circular logic here.
Of course the talk was planned, but the way it was used (YT live event advertised on Twitter) looks like a sudden decision.
Was it even a console reveal though, with no console and no games?
I am really curious to know the design approach that Microsoft took as compared to Sony.
As it stands, it feels like Sony relied heavily on user and developer data and feedback to really customize the hardware and focus.
I am not that tech-savvy, but in my mind I am imagining the XsX as a beefier and more blunt power fighter where as the PS5 is smaller, leaner, and quicker in delivery. Lets see how this plays out, but I am loving that both took a very different approach.
As it stands, it feels like Sony relied heavily on user and developer data and feedback to really customize the hardware and focus.
I am not that tech-savvy, but in my mind I am imagining the XsX as a beefier and more blunt power fighter where as the PS5 is smaller, leaner, and quicker in delivery. Lets see how this plays out, but I am loving that both took a very different approach.
I didn't even know what a Tflop was until I joined the Next Gen thread.
20+ blissful years of gaming and it all comes down to the games.
20+ blissful years of gaming and it all comes down to the games.
We will see soon enough, i think it's going be fine and good news for everyone.
It being planned for a long time doesn't change the fact that it's the first major 'reveal' of what the PS5 is about. Microsoft is having a dry developer-focused GDC panel as well and, because they've done a whole bunch else (and made sure to temper expectations by not hyping it up on Twitter), the reaction is a general "oh, OK," instead of "that was it?!"
The PS4 Pro presentation though...
But yep, that was bad. This thing should never had been broadcast to the public, much less being made a whole event of. It wasn't made for the mainstream at all. Should have just been an Eurogamer/Digital Foundry article directly.
All in all
MS exclusive games will have the most power to make the best looking games(assuming budget is there)
Sony exclusive will have the much faster ssd, which will allow them to do some interesting things
Both should have some impressive looking games.
Multiplats
Should run at higher resolution, and could very well have better raytracingperformance on xbox
Much faster loading on ps5
Maybe less pop in?
Can't wait for next gen. 😭
MS exclusive games will have the most power to make the best looking games(assuming budget is there)
Sony exclusive will have the much faster ssd, which will allow them to do some interesting things
Both should have some impressive looking games.
Multiplats
Should run at higher resolution, and could very well have better raytracingperformance on xbox
Much faster loading on ps5
Maybe less pop in?
Can't wait for next gen. 😭
I could be misinterpreting how it works, but as I understand it, the cooling solution is designed around the fact that the APU will be receiving consistent power at all times. So I don't think that's going to be a major issue. Consistent power means fewer heating and cooling cycles, which is what contributed to the RRoD and YLOD on 360 and PS3.
I find some of the doom and gloom pretty funny. The difference in raw performance is much smaller than it was with the PS4 and One, and rendering techniques have changed a lot as well. This isn't going to be the case where one system runs at a higher resolution all the time than the other. Rather, most games will likely be using some kind of dynamic resolution, and Xbox might hit its maximum target resolution more often. But considering the relatively small difference in power and the fact that anti-aliasing has come so far in the last six or seven years, it's going to be much harder to tell the difference between the same game running on both systems compared to something like 1080p vs 900p. The SSD stuff has the potential to make for some amazing exclusive open-world games on PS5. THAT'S what I'm most interested in at this point.
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Thanks now to see how the price war is going to go .
Cause if MS also at $399 they will be in a tight spot .
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