Yo if you're gonna call be an "absolute fucking troll," whilst implying that I'm a "pathetic man and also a rabbid dog," then say that to my face.
What the fuck
Seriously
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PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny
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Yo if you're gonna call be an "absolute fucking troll," whilst implying that I'm a "pathetic man and also a rabbid dog," then say that to my face.
What the fuck
Seriously
So Transistor is this the official PS5 thread cuz there's just so much chaos out there right now lol.
I'm not sure how to feel yet. Like I need a demo. Also Demons Souls running.
I guess the thing that will "kill" my excitement is the first 3rd party game comparison running on ps5 and XSX. If PS5 underperforms by alot, I'll be disappointed. If it's on par, we good.
I guess the thing that will "kill" my excitement is the first 3rd party game comparison running on ps5 and XSX. If PS5 underperforms by alot, I'll be disappointed. If it's on par, we good.
He said the GPU can't run faster. Sounds like they're pushing the limits of static timing closure. Not power/thermal limits.
You get more entertainment from Digital Foundry tech analysis and those people aren't paid millions.
The biggest disappointment for me is the bc situation. Eventually, it will have all the PS4 games, but it should've been there from day one.
And they better find a way of keeping bc, while adding more cu for the ps6.
And they better find a way of keeping bc, while adding more cu for the ps6.
Sitting in the EXACT right spot in front of your TV, basically.
the circumstances around the 360/PS3 were far different, most notably being a full year between each consoles releases. Playstation 5 will almost assuredly outsell Xbox Series X, that was likely before today and it remains likely now, a tech focused GDC talk and ensuing message board back and forth are unlikely to have much impact on that from a potential future sales perspective.
yes, looks good
hahaBest part of the conference for me:
"Hype" ... they explained what it was for.
There's literally no countdown in the video, go back and play it if you want. It was the youtube countdown... how does that count for anything..
You're really just filling up bullet points and posting random stuff to make it sound like you sound right lol
The silver lining is that the PS5 will likely be significantly cheaper than the XSX.
This was exactly what I expected it to be (other than the lol audience) and I thought it was pretty interesting even though some of the tech is beyond my general knowledge.
I especially liked how he tended to talk about WHY they went down certain paths.
I also appreciated that though touched on concerns from PS4 that are always brought up... fan noise, overheating, backwards compatibility. That should at least alleviate some issues for people that care about those things.
Ok, back to reading you all argue about what this SHOULD have been ;)
I especially liked how he tended to talk about WHY they went down certain paths.
I also appreciated that though touched on concerns from PS4 that are always brought up... fan noise, overheating, backwards compatibility. That should at least alleviate some issues for people that care about those things.
Ok, back to reading you all argue about what this SHOULD have been ;)
Ok we are still talking a absolutely massive leap over PS4 and a raising of the bar for the whole generation
Just being slightly "weaker" isnt going to be the end all
That said Sony has been slowing and surely losing its software edge as well as getting hammered on the value spectrum by MS
Maybe its only a matter of time before I jump ship. They almost had me with PSO2
I'm excited personally. The TFLOPS are not the same as last gen but for me the real exciting element is the SSD and the IO throughput. That is super exciting for me and if the devs like it then all the better.
It all comes down to the games anyway.
I think the teraflops metric is very misleading this gen. I think (hope) performance will be closer than a 2 TF difference due to PS5's much higher clock speed and other features. $499 not out of the question.
Interesting stuff.
I'm probably going to buy both of these damn things, and then never play them. Oh well.
I'm probably going to buy both of these damn things, and then never play them. Oh well.
That's good to know. I hope it will fulfill my dream.
I mean I knew this was going to be spec talk and a deep dive on that so I didn't expect anything else. But to say that Sony is presenting their console well is disingenuous. Their message has been muddy, and this talk should have come after showing off some things for it. I know that the situation the whole world is in right now probably changed plans, but as of now, this isn't running smoothly.
Having said that, the specs look good and that SSD is looking amazing.
Having said that, the specs look good and that SSD is looking amazing.
I don't really feel the atmosphere here is anywhere close to friendly so I'll just make a single closing statement.
If you see a widespread negative reaction to something like this and your personal reaction is the equivalent to this:
Then maybe, just maybe, your argument is flimsy.
...that's especially if said argument relies on insulting the intelligence of other members and calling them "Rabbid dog pathetic man-trolls."
If you see a widespread negative reaction to something like this and your personal reaction is the equivalent to this:
Then maybe, just maybe, your argument is flimsy.
...that's especially if said argument relies on insulting the intelligence of other members and calling them "Rabbid dog pathetic man-trolls."
I don't get that at all. I'm inclined to think that your reaction is entirely based on your lack of appreciation of the details they provided.
Are we really sure about that? If it's 399 and XSX is at 499, they win.
But they havent unveiled the PS5 yet. If it doesnt come out until the holidays or later, they still have plenty of time put together some nostalgia tugging ads like they did for the PS4. And they can still do a whole conference style reveal where they show some games and the price. Outside of tweeting out a heads up about a GDC conference, this seems to be about the same as the PS4 lead up so far. People are just so thirsty right now they are losing their marbles over a presentation that they didnt even know happened with the PS4.
But are third parties going to take advantage of it? thats the thing. Or will they design with xsx in mind?
600k+ people stay till the end. he's really good at talking imo. I didn't feel bored or sleepy even though it fell like I'm attending a lecture lol. it's really interesting and informative
if you played with an overclock gpu & it downs clock, then you would know that this should not be a problem.
I just don't know how people build up these ludicrous expectations of what was clearly advertised as a discussion about system architecture.
Sony did the exact same thing with the PS4. Looking back, no one cared once we finally saw the console and the games. And of course they're saving that up for the official reveal and game announcements.
Sony did the exact same thing with the PS4. Looking back, no one cared once we finally saw the console and the games. And of course they're saving that up for the official reveal and game announcements.
I was a little surprised when PSF was talking about how we should throw the teraflops number out as a final arbiter of system performance, but now that I've finished the video, I fully understand his intentions. The idea that PS5 has a faster SSD (more than double) and a ton of custom hardware that speeds up the whole process of storage to screen makes it clear that they've really considered things very carefully. It now seems like Microsoft is trying to hit us over the head with the big number without enough details on the accoutrements that will streamline the entire process.
It would have been nice if the GPU number was better, but the way things have been explained, I can't imagine that the casual fans will be able to pick out the differences with just a cursory examination (nor many of the experts). The true measure will be the third party games for those breaking out the measuring sticks. For the exclusives, I cannot wait. The stuff they can achieve on PS4 hardware is already amazing. The games will be mind-bogglingly good.
It would have been nice if the GPU number was better, but the way things have been explained, I can't imagine that the casual fans will be able to pick out the differences with just a cursory examination (nor many of the experts). The true measure will be the third party games for those breaking out the measuring sticks. For the exclusives, I cannot wait. The stuff they can achieve on PS4 hardware is already amazing. The games will be mind-bogglingly good.
And as has already been pointed out, only some first party games will take advantage of it. Not even all as many will target PS4 crossgen and PC releases. The other 95% of games will be built around MS's drive and generic PC drives. Or more likely, Lockhart's even slightly slower drive.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
RDNA 2 putting in work.
How about that SSD tho.....my god.
Most 3rd party devs will design not only with XSX in mind but aslo with PC in mind, which most users are still on standard SSD drives.
TF are not the end-all be-all measure of performance. It's just a nice, simple number that's easily summed up, so the internet tends to go with it.
It's quite possible (within reason) to have a design with a lower TF number actually outperform one with a higher TF number. Whether that will actually be the case with the PS5 vs. the Series X remains to be seen.
My best guess at this point is that the consoles are going to perform closely enough that factors like price, ecosystem and library preference should be the bigger considerations, but of course that isn't going to happen here.
I like how John has to explain stuff when everything was already clearly laid out in the presentation !!!!!
They explained what it was for but nothing beyond that, leaving people to draw their own conclusions. As I've pointed out via posting the Digital Foundry video a "deep dive," does not have to be what this presentation was, yet that has consistently been ignored.
And there was a countdown with music and everything. Ask anyone else and they'll attest to this. Literal gaslighting ain't gonna work here.
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