PlayStation 5 System Architecture Deep Dive |OT| Secret Agent Cerny

zombiejames · Mar 18, 2020

Hupsel said:
Cerny has zero energy to carry a console reveal

This is a GDC presentation.

Deleted member 5596 · Mar 18, 2020

plagiarize said:
No. They said they said of the 100 most played games, the large majority worked.

... That's not much better...

Deleted member 135 · Mar 18, 2020

Jesus Christ, this is like back when games ran on cartridges. Insane, this is amazing.

ghostmind · Mar 18, 2020

Cerny burying the PS4

jschreier · Mar 18, 2020

nib95 said:
Had jschreier already seen this presentation? I guess this is what the Tflops aren't everything stuff comes from that Cerny is talking about.

No I had not seen this presentation. I just talk to a lot of people who know way more than I do.

Dokkaebi G0SU · Mar 18, 2020

wait, what about their RT stuff? did he already go over it??

Deleted member 63832 · Mar 18, 2020

This sounds great so far, I like how detailed this has been.

Kabuki Waq · Mar 18, 2020

Damn going digital this gen on ps4 might not have been the best idea

bob100 · Mar 18, 2020

How soon are we expecting Digital Foundry analysis?

mauaus · Mar 18, 2020

I understand 10% of what he is saying but I can't look away...

Sei · Mar 18, 2020

XSX power solution, make a massive box. This seems more interesting.

ryan299 · Mar 18, 2020

tapedeck said:
Downplaying teraflops is kinda odd..

I'm wouldn't have mentioned it at all given having the lower number and this gen being about tf

VegiHam · Mar 18, 2020

Boke18 said:
Y'all won't be saying anything once the console, price and games are revealed

Yes, that's what I'm asking for. When's that?

Kaelan · Mar 18, 2020

elknoir said:
I understand this is a GDC presentation, but it wasn't marketed like one it. It was all over games media like it was a "reveal" event. This is a really weird presentation at this point considering how little they've shown and how much Microsoft has shown.

A "technical deep dive" isn't marketed as a GDC presentation? They even said this is what was planned for GDC. People who expected otherwise deluded themselves and wanted to see what they wanted to see. Like did people want them to say "NO GAMES!!!!" In bold print?

Nikokuno · Mar 18, 2020

The era of Luigi said:
The comments here are no better than on youtube

That's why I'm not reading them at all.

Binabik15 · Mar 18, 2020

36 CUs. The Github was right. What the hell.

The Lord of Cereal · Mar 18, 2020

Github was real boys

Pop-O-Matic · Mar 18, 2020

Honestly, I don't care about BC, and would actually be happy if Sony traded away BC in favor of more powah. Just learn to keep your old consoles, folks.

Dant21 · Mar 18, 2020

"256-bit instructions are rare... or are they?"
PS3 BC through emulation?... Maybe? Please?

Pop-O-Matic said:
Honestly, I don't care about BC, and would actually be happy if Sony traded away BC in favor of more powah. Just learn to keep your old consoles, folks.

My BC PS3 had its GPU die.

tapedeck · Mar 18, 2020

36 CU's..there it is.

Dr. Lucien Sanchez · Mar 18, 2020

Glad he mentioned that fucking horizon map screen

BobLoblaw · Mar 18, 2020

36 confirmed?!

Kopite · Mar 18, 2020

This is now miles better than the SSD stuff in the beginning

STech · Mar 18, 2020

Xbox, it is decided

nexus · Mar 18, 2020

I feel like you could compare this to cars almost. You could have a Porsche that is horsepower wise much less than some 1000 hp monster car and that Porsche is going to be a much better drive every day.

VeePs · Mar 18, 2020

Binabik15 said:
36 CUs. The Github was right. What the hell.

A lot of folks tried to shut down Github talk whenever they could as well.

Lumines · Mar 18, 2020

Lobster Roll said:
It bears repeating: The average person that is mildly into PC gaming or that has been into next-gen specs is bored because this isn't a deep dive for us but rather a surface-level skim. Using the argument "this is for game developers" doesn't make sense as they would be even more intimately familiar with what is being discussed. This is an ELI5 tech explanation. This is why some of us are kinda bored and wanting more.

Nailed it. Devs already know this shit.

rottenpie · Mar 18, 2020

Those youtube comments... 🤦🏻‍♂️

sangreal · Mar 18, 2020

bob100 said:
How soon are we expecting Digital Foundry analysis?

They posted it before this speech started

BZL8 · Mar 18, 2020

//ARCANUM · Mar 18, 2020

will this be on the test?

I know it's a GDC presentation, just being silly :P

Tyaren · Mar 18, 2020

That HZD map fan ramping up call out. XD

Shark · Mar 18, 2020

bsigg said:
The lack of complete PS4 BC is fucking wild to me.

This is the first impression people are getting of this thing and one of the main bullet points someone can easily discern is "PS4 backwards compatible...kinda"

I miss Jack and Andy.

I will lol if there isn't a single game or game comparison shown during this.

TheGhost · Mar 18, 2020

Dancrane212 said:
Wait, not a 100% compatibility for PS4?

If Xbox didn't have complete 360 back compatibility right away what made you think Sony would.

Everything with BC will be a work in progress

Deleted member 887 · Mar 18, 2020

sangreal said:
Cerny is more shook than I would have expected. XSX won't impact their business at all but here is trying to explain why higher clocks are "better" than more CUs. Not the first "in"direct comparison he has made

imagine saying Cerny is "shook" y'all only think in console warring lmao

Deleted member 5745 · Mar 18, 2020

Pop-O-Matic said:
Honestly, I don't care about BC, and would actually be happy if Sony traded away BC in favor of more powah. Just learn to keep your old consoles, folks.

What a joke.

DanteMenethil · Mar 18, 2020

With what Cerny is saying regarding power consumption they pretty much had to OC to reach that 10.2

Chaystic · Mar 18, 2020

What does this mean? Is it going to be silent or not lmao.

entremet · Mar 18, 2020

No one cares about PS1/2, guys. That's a very small subset of the population. You don't engineer for that.

ToxicPhantom · Mar 18, 2020

Thank god he's talking about transistors. I was worried there wouldnt be enough.

Deleted member 8468 · Mar 18, 2020

upinsmoke said:
Yeah, i mean he actually explains why. He's basically calling everyone who is bothered about teraflops absolutely uneducated morons, in the nicest, calmest way possible of course.

Oh yes I get it. I thought the way he phrased it was pretty funny.

Deleted member 4532 · Mar 18, 2020

Power level!?!?

platocplx · Mar 18, 2020

Stripper13 said:
Hmm. His explanation on higher clocks outstripping the theoretical TFLOP figure is interesting?

he's correct while you have that theoretical power. how often you hit it makes a huge difference.

MisterMrMister · Mar 18, 2020

NitX said:
I dont know about "MASSIVELY" . These are complex SOCs. Raw numbers definitely reflect advantages but how they actually turn out practically is what matters. Loading time of 5 seconds is better than loading time of 10 seconds but they are not going to be very noticeable but loading time of 2 minutes is definitely going to be more noticeable than a loading time of a minute.

Agree, maybe I was being a bit too enthusiastic. It just seems that Sony has approached the system architecture differently compared to Microsoft. More focused on improving visible gaming experiences compared to more raw power available for development. Both have their pros and cons, I just feel more attracted to Sony's approach.

Skulldead · Mar 18, 2020

Tubie said:
This sounds great so far, I like how detailed this has been.

same don't understand the hate, i wasn't expecting any game footage

DJwest · Mar 18, 2020

Kabuki Waq said:
Damn going digital this gen on ps4 might not have been the best idea

What did I miss lol

The Artisan · Mar 18, 2020

sangreal said:
Cerny is more shook than I would have expected. XSX won't impact their business at all but here is trying to explain why higher clocks are "better" than more CUs. Not the first "in"direct comparison he has made

at this point if they continue to talk about it more in theory and how it can perform rather than the way Series X has been shown, it certainly can impact their business

DrowsyJungle · Mar 18, 2020

Lots of mental gymnastics, having a bigger GPU is bad apparently. 2080ti < 2060 confirmed. Cool how fast the SSD is though

nib95 · Mar 18, 2020

This is actually cool. Super in-depth, and explains their thought process behind the decisions (within their limitations).

I hope this means the PS5 will be traditional in actual console physical design.

Voodoopeople · Mar 18, 2020

So we have...

Microsoft = Power
Sony = Speed

So what does that make Nintendo? Communications expert? Explosives guy?

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