Though I do agree that expectations should have been kept in check.
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Though I do agree that expectations should have been kept in check.
I think this is a bit hyperbolic. Remember this is a highly viewed thread and lots of posters regularly check it but do not post.
More likely users are reacting to SPDIF's post and are taking the opportunity to let out some frustrations from what they (rightly or wrongly) view as poor treatment during the whole Github period. I didn't participate in the whole drama but regularly viewed, and yes, there was some overly passive aggressive attempts to shut down all references to it.
It is a bit persecutionist to read anymore into it than that.
That little dolphin game looks cute I think it'll be like ori and have a following. I'm impressed it's made by one dude
I mean you are a xbox fan and kinda hate anything playstation related so enlighten me why you decided to come in here right now?
Im just perplexed of the sudden surge.
The third one can be simply more advanced API at that time. Jason told that devs were very happy with SONY and not so much with MS. MS seemed to have been a little late in dev kit department. And Klee is supposed to report from a third party dev.
Only time will tell when first NG only third party game will released. And that is probably not before late 2021.
I've been here since the start of this thread. I don't hate Playstation. So please stop with the accusations.
you do realize the klee avatar was forced on Doctor Avatar by certain users who had a grudge against klee. its bizarre because klee did get a couple of things right about both consoles being double digit and more powerful than amd's Navi 10 cards. and yet, he was forced to wear the avatar anyway because the ps5 didnt come out on top of the tflops war. i think its despicable and ironic considering how doctor avatar was just banned for harassing a user who doesnt post here anymore and yet its ok for him to be forced to wear an avatar that calls another member fake.
there is always going to be some denial, but this guy is calling cerny a liar. imagine if jason did that. or klee. are we not allowed to call him out? dictator recently left and this thread and several of its posters were blamed for it because we asked him to reply to an actual dev saying he doesnt know what hes talking about. we didnt say dictator was lying or was clueless or anything of that sort. we simply asked for some clarification and apparently that now constitutes as harassment.
this is a false equivalency. no one ever got banned for harassing klee on a daily basis. in fact, i was warned for making fun of a random twitter user. i would love to see who in this thread or the three other Sony focused threads has accused DF of receiving checks because that kind of shit does not belong here. please link it so i can report myself.
but until we start writing poems about dictator and brad, i dont think this thread is as bad as we had before the spec reveal.
p.s everytime i post something negative about the ps5, i get quoted to oblivion so i know what its like, but i wouldnt say its console warring, or that the discussion has gone off the rails. we still talk and can say our peace without resorting to harassment.
I honestly dont get it. Im not interested in xbox stuff and dont go out of my way to constantly monitor those threads.
There's no evidence they weren't "in check". It's an in progress build of an indie game being made by one guy.
Accurate. 36 CUs turned out to be right, but it was out of context. The steppings through E0 should have told us they were going even higher with the clock but no one really had any idea. I was mulling it as a possibility but everyone said it would be completely out of the question. So, I figured it probably was out of the question.
And people were saying all along that higher clocks were impractical because of power and timing limits. Cerny addressed the impact of both in his talk.
I'm primarily an Xbox gamer (exclusives/multiplats) mainly because I'm in deep with the achievements and Halo multiplayer.
very excited for both consoles and will get both. I have a PS4 slim and am excited that PS5 will have back compat as I haven't finished all the PS4 exclusives I've wanted to play.
im really hoping the price of the consoles stays at or below $499 at launch
very excited for both consoles and will get both. I have a PS4 slim and am excited that PS5 will have back compat as I haven't finished all the PS4 exclusives I've wanted to play.
im really hoping the price of the consoles stays at or below $499 at launch
Destin Legarie follows it up saying that "MS absolutely blows the PS5 out of the water", when you couldn't even say that about the PS4/XB1. These "journalists" honestly will never hold themselves accountable, even these years later they're still proving that they should just keep their mouths shut instead of commentating on things they have next to no interest in getting to the bottom of themselves. I'm sure if they actually reached out to a "developer" they would also find out that the difference between these consoles is smaller than it's ever been, and the biggest percentage difference is in the SSD, with a 120% gain, vs around 15% in other categories. IGN… reach out to actual developers working on games for both machines before you "inform" your impressionable audience on things that serve to exacerbate the console war narrative that you claim is "inevitable".
I said this before… what the absolute hell is going on with Xbox/MS proponents in misrepresenting the state of affairs, and the specification of both consoles? I don't remember the FUD brigade being this lopsided.
or third option klee was fake insider and wrote his staff from... :-)
The deterministic variable frequency and continuous boost enables clocks much higher than thought possible (definitely much higher than what would be possible in the traditional fixed frequency paradigm). No one saw that coming.
We sort of expected the PS5 SSD to be brilliant with all their talks even though the number turned out pretty insane at 8-9GBps.
some people are interested in both but don't want to engage in conversations such as this one because it leads nowhere good.
Well if there were "in check". Whats the problem then?
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No it wasn't. Even mods on this forum have stated it wasn't accurate. Perhaps it was once upon a time in an early version, but not as the PS5 is presently. Eg regarding the entire architecture of the GPU (Github had it as RDNA1) nor the clockspeeds.
Why do people feel vindicated by Github? It wasn't 100% correct just like Klee wasn't 100% so in my view they both should be dismissed. Now they are upset that PS5 is a 10TF console? WTF is going on in this thread and the gaming community..Im sorry but to me it definitely feels like a coordinated effort to downplay PS5 as much as possible from Tom Warren, Brad Sams, Unlocked podcast....smh what's the point? The series x is going to be a great console so why continuously downplay the competition? So what happens when we finally see games and both are on par like numerous devs have already said they will be? It's pretty sad to have this much energy downplaying a toy
The whole discord server came into the thread within minutes. It's hilarious.
This was one of my last guesses before Cerney gave the talk:
PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
My guess (again): 54 CUs (3 SEs with 18 active CUs each) clocked at 1.8 Ghz = 12.44 TFs. Disable a single SE and 36 CUs are active for hardware-based bc mode. Slightly narrower & slightly higher clocked than XSX. If it is 36 CUs clocked at 2+ Ghz, they will sell it for $50.00 to $100.00...
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Funny enough, my other guess for the setup of the PS5 GPU actually wound up being close to what the XSX GPU setup was in terms of active CUs and clock.
The 36 cu was right on the money. I predicted that Sony would mess with the clocks to get away from that 9.2 TF number. But I remember there were multiple people wanting folks to be banned for even mentioning github at all. Pretty gross.
This quote from the software developer is talking about Github. He literally says that he doesn't know what the sustained frequency clocks are on the PS5, and is merely guessing based on Github. My guess is the person Ryan spoke to is a Microsoft developer (Ryan is an Xbox guy) since a multi platform developer would know the details of the PS5's clocks as matter of fact, and wouldn't have to rely on the Github rumours which we know aren't accurate.
So actually, yes, the link you posted is near enough the equivalent of FUD.
...nothing? It was someone else who claimed there was a sudden influx of Xbox people in this thread, and then postulated that it was probably because of disappointment or whatever with that game "reveal". To which someone else said their expectations should have been in check. To which I said there's no actual evidence this wasn't the case all along.
Which brought us here.
Thanks for posting this. It really gives you a factual contrast to the statement made in the Unlocked podcast that that XSX specs "blows PS5's out of the water."Presuming there's any value in the exercise, I drafted one that's actually to scale. The area of the squares below represents the published specifications as reflected in text on each box, with all the usual caveats about how these aren't guaranteed to reflect real-world performance. Since the silly exercise got started, though, it might as well be carried through. Series X in blue as the normalized reference, and PS5 in green to demonstrate visually how large / small these differences really are:
Of course a corresponding chart could be drawn up in which the PS5 figures are the normalized reference, but I didn't want to feed the perception that box size represents some form of balance. After all, there's no meaningful attempt to visually scale GPU vs. CPU vs. SSD, this is just about CPU vs. CPU, GPU vs. GPU, and SSD vs. SSD.
Klee also said that when asked about the PS5's SSD his developer friend became "visibly nervous". That's probably due to NDAs but it's clear why they'd have a reason to be given that it was Sony's ace for the PS5 and speed being something I believe they're going to be basing their entire PS5 marketing campaign around.
Looking forward to all the new memes when we finally see the console .
Certain people on this forum do not care where the information comes from, just that it confirms their own biases and/or hopes. That needs to change. Every time we get new information, whether it's in conflict with current information or not, it needs to be incorporated into one's informed opinion. We should continue to be skeptical and not rely on journalists like Brad Sams, who clearly have an agenda. So when they present new information, it should be incorporated in with extreme skepticism. Not used as a cludge to 'win' arguments. We're all in these threads because we have an interest in what the new standard for console gaming is going to be. These constant zero sum game arguments are so goddamn tiring.
There is always going to be a conflict of interest with journalism when it comes to covering corporations, because getting information can sometimes be based on how your coverage is. That being said, there's no reason for people to doubt DF, they've proven over and over again that they are simply about presenting performance numbers in the easiest way for even non technical video game fans to consume.
If I'm going to be totally honest, I think the corporate cheerleading on here is pretty damn gross. Whenever there's news from a certain manufacturer I can safely predict a set of about five people that are going to be the first to post it; in the same way on EtcetEra if there is news about Canada I can safely predict a certain "Detective" posting it.
There is always going to be a conflict of interest with journalism when it comes to covering corporations, because getting information can sometimes be based on how your coverage is. That being said, there's no reason for people to doubt DF, they've proven over and over again that they are simply about presenting performance numbers in the easiest way for even non technical video game fans to consume.
If I'm going to be totally honest, I think the corporate cheerleading on here is pretty damn gross. Whenever there's news from a certain manufacturer I can safely predict a set of about five people that are going to be the first to post it; in the same way on EtcetEra if there is news about Canada I can safely predict a certain "Detective" posting it.
lol the first poster was me, dude. We have already moved on from that dolphin game.
But since there is no problems, its all good.
The funny thing about that podcast is that some of the same people in it who are now trumpeting the XSX's 18% GPU advantage over the PS5, were the same ones downplaying the PS4's 40% GPU advantage over the Xbox One, not to mention the benefits of a higher resolution.
You may remember this little nugget lol.
Any guesses as to when we might see more? The reception to the "Road to PS5" video must've somewhat shocked Sony.
A full hour, and yet, the dislike ratio is insane... 😅
I hope they start showing more sooner, rather than later. I want to see that cooling solution!
Schreier already confirmed they'll have exclusives at launch, so... C'mon Sony!
A full hour, and yet, the dislike ratio is insane... 😅
I hope they start showing more sooner, rather than later. I want to see that cooling solution!
Schreier already confirmed they'll have exclusives at launch, so... C'mon Sony!
I feel bad for Klee because he's an enthusiast just like the rest of us who tried to give what he knew and keep the discussion interesting, but then a certain part of the community treated him like dogshit anyway.
Things DO change behind the scenes after people learn about them. People's memories aren't perfect. Details are lost when passed along. But some people, mostly immature children, I'm guessing, can't seem to fathom any of that and jump straight to "this person lied to me and now I can feel my prepubescent rage driving me to Twitter." Shit is depressing when the topic as a whole should be nothing but excitement, especially after all that we know about both systems.
Lol, I wish they would do the same sketch but with the new systems. Wonder how big the TVs would be this time.The funny thing about that podcast is that some of the same people in it who are now trumpeting the XSX's 18% GPU advantage over the PS5, were the same ones downplaying the PS4's 40% GPU advantage over the Xbox One, not to mention the benefits of a higher resolution.
You may remember this little nugget lol.
Also Marty on the left just looking and then "Ohhh suck it", lol.
I stopped listening to this podcast a while back because of this kind of thing, they say so much utter nonsense that I couldn't stomach anymore.The funny thing about that podcast is that some of the same people in it who are now trumpeting the XSX's 18% GPU advantage over the PS5, were the same ones downplaying the PS4's 40% GPU advantage over the Xbox One, not to mention the benefits of a higher resolution.
You may remember this little nugget lol.
Shortly after the Ghost of Tsushima release at the latest I would say. The corono virus is playing a big role as well.Any guesses as to when we might see more? The reception to the "Road to PS5" video must've somewhat shocked Sony.
A full hour, and yet, the dislike ratio is insane... 😅
I hope they start showing more sooner, rather than later. I want to see that cooling solution!
Schreier already confirmed they'll have exclusives at launch, so... C'mon Sony!
But Sony has been pretty unpredictable so it could be at any time really.
It's not exclusively a MS thing. When your livelihood is making content for an amorphous blob with set preferences you are going to make that content. Sony stans are our here just as much as MS ones.
welcome to the internet Information Age where facts don't matter it's about the pigeon hole you create for yourself
User warned: Console warring, antagonizing other users
It has been Hell on Earth for many ever since the TV, TV, TV Xbox One reveal event. You're seeing 7 years of frustration and bitterness finally getting released.
You are missing some information like for example you need another box that represents actual real world numbers. We know that all of MS numbers are guaranteed sustained, while all of Sony numbers are all peak. So it doesn't truly represent what capability devs have to work with.Presuming there's any value in the exercise, I drafted one that's actually to scale. The area of the squares below represents the published specifications as reflected in text on each box, with all the usual caveats about how these aren't guaranteed to reflect real-world performance. Since the silly exercise got started, though, it might as well be carried through. Series X in green as the normalized reference, and PS5 in blue to demonstrate visually how large / small these differences really are:
Of course a corresponding chart could be drawn up in which the PS5 figures are the normalized reference, but I didn't want to feed the perception that box size represents some form of balance. After all, there's no meaningful attempt to visually scale GPU vs. CPU vs. SSD, this is just about CPU vs. CPU, GPU vs. GPU, and SSD vs. SSD.
Wow! All 200 or so? Including all the Reset mods and admins that are in there too?
Awesome. Point me to all their posts.
Basically, these folks are praying for a repeat of e3 2013, but with the roles reversed.
Lol yup. It's funny af. I just sit back and watch. Cause if I say something I usually get banned.
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