Well...
In terms of RAM you get 16gb at a constant speed...it's slower than 10gb of the Xbox RAM...faster than the other 6...
The GPU is significantly faster...but less CU's
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PlayStation 5 Specs Revealed by EuroGamer (See Threadmarks)
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In terms of RAM you get 16gb at a constant speed...it's slower than 10gb of the Xbox RAM...faster than the other 6...
The GPU is significantly faster...but less CU's
This is so very interesting from the Eurogamer article. Wonder how this plays out in real games.
"Also, it's easier to fully use 36 CUs in parallel than it is to fully use 48 CUs - when triangles are small, it's much harder to fill all those CUs with useful work."
Sony's pitch is essentially this: a smaller GPU can be a more nimble, more agile GPU, the inference being that PS5's graphics core should be able to deliver performance higher than you may expect from a TFLOPs number that doesn't accurately encompass the capabilities of all parts of the GPU. Developers work to the power limits of the SoC, their workloads affecting frequencies on the fly - but it's those factors that impact the clock speeds, not ambient temperatures.
"Also, it's easier to fully use 36 CUs in parallel than it is to fully use 48 CUs - when triangles are small, it's much harder to fill all those CUs with useful work."
Sony's pitch is essentially this: a smaller GPU can be a more nimble, more agile GPU, the inference being that PS5's graphics core should be able to deliver performance higher than you may expect from a TFLOPs number that doesn't accurately encompass the capabilities of all parts of the GPU. Developers work to the power limits of the SoC, their workloads affecting frequencies on the fly - but it's those factors that impact the clock speeds, not ambient temperatures.
Kind of makes me wonder what options MS would have with a mid gen refresh for XSX since they are probably close to maxed on CU count. Sony could probably double theirs if they only have 36 now
Games are constantly loading data from storage. There isn't a singular initial load and that's it. Those things tied to runtime loading will benefit a lot from higher IO - that could run the gamut from higher level things like level design, through to nuts and bolts like io-bound framerate stutters or pop-in. If it means more effective memory for what you're seeing on screen - that can mean higher res assets.
The speed of the storage, as pertains to initial load, is only half the story of the reason for it. I think the presentation illustrated both sides of that coin pretty well.
It will actually be more brutal than last gen because the XBX doesnt have a Kinect to drop and price match the PS5 within 6 months like the Xboxone did. Business wise a 400$ PS5 vs a 500$ Xbx will lead to an even bigger sales gap than PS4 vs Xboxone.
We'll see but I don't think even with the higher speeds this is going to cause some sort of revolution in terms of open world game design on the PS5. The PS5 is worse at a lot of basic stuff compared to the Xbox with one area that only could be utilized by exclusives. Feels like the PS3 gen all over again.
I would actually think Microsoft will probably wait a year longer than Sony for a refresh just like with the One X.
Hmm interesting, im looking forward to DF impression video on this.
I think it will be, hence why Jim Ryan said they are waiting on Microsoft.
I'll wait for the DF comparison.
Right now, IMO XSX is the lead machine for power. No question about it.
PS5 has some secret sauce that we have to wait and see if it can keep up.
What is obvious is that Microsoft is way ahead in production and will be first to market.
Right now, IMO XSX is the lead machine for power. No question about it.
PS5 has some secret sauce that we have to wait and see if it can keep up.
What is obvious is that Microsoft is way ahead in production and will be first to market.
Maybe on <5nm. They won't double with a transition to 5nm.
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The messaging was that the SSD could basically function as RAM because it's so fast.
Which was basically the same messaging as the Xbox X specs.
Another great set of specs for a console. Cannot wait to see what it can actually do now.
Come on Cerny, time to break out Knack 3 in glorious 4k with Ray Tracing.
Come on Cerny, time to break out Knack 3 in glorious 4k with Ray Tracing.
Yup. I really don't know why they decided to focus on such a weird outlier feature that nobody but them will use.
Yeah, and I think that's fine and a valid strategy, provided that you make that clear to your audience: before the stream started, there were 300 thousand people awaiting and I'm sure most of them had a hard time following the presentation and a bunch felt that the PS5 is weaker, is making excuses and didn't show nothing of true value for itself. It's weird.
If your main goal is not the premium market, you should adjust your messaging. They didn't, they went out days after the Xbox to be beaten severely by comparisson and I find it very strange.
My uneducated hot take is that instead of extra CUs using silicon for fancy audio chip while most users can't tell the difference between 128 and 320 kbit/s mp3 on ther 2x10w tv speakers is kind of a mandatory Kinect move.
I mean Sony does have some advantages when it comes to the SSD but yeah XSX is just plain more powerful. Its not that much of a difference though and will result in stuff like PS5 being checkerboard 1900p vs XSX native 2160p which is much less noticeable than load times and less noticeable than previous launch with the 720p/900p-1080p difference where checkerboarding wasn't used yet. The one area that will hurt Sony though is less compute will affect raytracing.
I think the perception of value is of course going to hinge largely on the price and its possible Sony really wanted that $399 spot.
I think the perception of value is of course going to hinge largely on the price and its possible Sony really wanted that $399 spot.
Folks this isn't a 10.3TF machine, we can pretend otherwise, but we must be honest with ourselves.
Practically I'm expecting 9.2-9.7TF (2-2.1GHz).
Albert Penello sorry for doubting you. Appreciate your contributions. I'm eating lots of crow tonight.
Practically I'm expecting 9.2-9.7TF (2-2.1GHz).
Albert Penello sorry for doubting you. Appreciate your contributions. I'm eating lots of crow tonight.
Obvious from the sheer amount of information along with seeing games and such running on the actual hardware.
Mid gen refreshes would likely be on 5 nm which opens up room for more CUs. Either way, Sony can double CUs and MS can boost their clocks to match. These consoles are basically 90% the same tech, lol.
Exactly, we're getting something here that would change how games are able to be designed and this is achievable in the next few years rather than the next cycle. It's not some pie in the sky that only relates to load times. Sony wouldn't dedicate this much of their console to something that they think will be a marginal gain overall. Sometimes I think people are allergic to innovation. Whether it's VR or it's things like this.
I know plans obviously changed with the pandemic but surely even just on a straightforward mindmap even I would have said "Step 1: Showcase a game and PS5's core points in a snappy 20/40 minute show. Then 2: Nitty gritty details with Mark Cerny" rather than just Step 2.
They knew the fanbase have been thirsty for YEARS since E3 2018 and this is what you do? Is Jim Ryan an alien who likes dullness?
They knew the fanbase have been thirsty for YEARS since E3 2018 and this is what you do? Is Jim Ryan an alien who likes dullness?
So in terms of TF the SX has a ~20% advantage, right? Not sure how significant that is in practice.
False. It's a difference in PR. Both are scheduled for Fall release.
As we have not heard anything about price at all, I don't know how you can say "great specs for that price".
But if that was the case, and the cooling system could handle far more heat that the console was ever capable of producing, wouldn't they be able to run at maximum clockspeeds indefinitely?
The more I think about the more I think this is more about avoiding the whole 'jet engine cooling' reputation that Sony consoles have. I think it's a given that the PS5 is going to have a more traditional and compact form factor than the Series X, so they're aware that they're going to run into problems with cooling again, and the lesser of two evils is to dial back the performance on the fly but keep the fans running quiet.
On second thought...they did the best they could.
Once they actually show the console and the games running in that, no one will be talking about the specs. That's already done. In some ways this was smart lol.
PS: I'm talking about exclusives. i know multiplatform games will be compared.
Once they actually show the console and the games running in that, no one will be talking about the specs. That's already done. In some ways this was smart lol.
PS: I'm talking about exclusives. i know multiplatform games will be compared.
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Sure, I get that. But given we already have games doing this very well, what's the thing that justifies the 'gamechanger' idea? Fixing up nuts and bolts isn't game design, that's nice, but it's not revelatory. We can say 'game design' but what does that mean? Especially given how actual revelations in game design are to my mind contingent on the creator, not their tools. See: Nintendo.
Again, I know I lack imagination and expertise here, I am just curious.
It's not going to matter for the overwhelming majority of games. Why bother with it?
He talked about how people should not get the impression that Sony just stuck a PC GPU in there, so it there might be a closely matched AMD card coming? In that case it'd be weird to not have most RDNA2 features in PS5, otherwise that comparison wouldn't happen.
What about that Geometry Engine, though. I need a long article just about that thing.
Sources on that? Marketing timing doesn't have much to do with production timing.
People tend to assume that if the company doesn't reveal everything at the same time as MS then they are in shambles. Reality is that both consoles will be sold out this Q4 (or Q1) and it doesn't matter when everything is revealed.
They're aiming for price, which is smart historically. We'll see I suppose. They're not going to get the cheaper and faster advantage they had at the beginning of this gen
Several things.... But the biggest thing is that this "very powerful system" leaves room for a Pro version... And since i only buy one system, unless it dies, a gen. I am going to wait for a Pro version.
It is great that fundamental design changes will happen and i will be able to enjoy it when they release the Pro version and if not i can wait till the system is very cheap. But the improvements and focus that they prioritized is not really exciting for me... I haven't used a 2 speaker system with gaming since the PS1. So why would i be happy with virtual "surround" focus? Those speeds are interesting but it's a recipe for disaster.... Like i said i can wait for the sane Pro version.... I have no clue what they were smoking when designing the PS5.... but i want some :)
It will absolutely matter to the standout games that Sony will be promoting their console with. Those games will be nuts. We should want developers to be offered more freedom. It may or it may not have influence over development studios who want to expend the resources to make it happen, but it's a worthwhile endeavour for the sake of putting tools on the table to enable innovation in an industry that people complain is stagnant.
Perfectly said. This is a more balanced console versus the powerful XsX (which is an incredibly impressive piece of hardware), so there will be trade-offs. PS5 will shine in certain areas and XsX will shine in others, but all-in-all we win as gamers regardless since both systems are a substantial jump over current generation.
My guess before the presentation was pretty close all-in-all. If anything I seriously underestimated the SSD speed.
A lot of you guys are acting like you're gonna be playing the chips themselves rather than the games that'll be enabled by the components. What matters most is the software at the end of the day, and though we haven't seen much in that regard yet, we should wait to see what's in store before declaring "winners" and "losers," as if that even matters much in the first place.
I think the problem is that if they specced the cooling to match the TDP, the degradation over time due to dust + the difference in ambient temperature would mean that different PS5s would have wildly different clocks. In order to keep it predictable (like console design is), you have to have unused redundancy. Otherwise it's exacly the same as GPU boost from AMD/Nvidia and that's not what Sony is marketing. In my opinion a cleaver design if they pull it off.
i can only hope you are right, but for now like i said, i'm a little pissed off and skeptical.
But if they're making a multiplatform game those resources will go to waste because you can't just change the core design concept for a game for one platform. Devs aren't going to make a PS5-specific world design for their multiplatform games - it'll only matter for exclusive titles.
If there were more exclusive games in the world it would make sense, but we're seeing a MARKED contraction in exclusivity in recent years. Third parties aren't going to forego PC/XB releases in favor of making PS5 exclusives.
I agree that the presentation wasn't ideal (even though I love listening to Cerny) but I'll give it to the coronavirus epidemic affecting marketing. What I don't understand is people claiming that Cerny didn't deliver this time or that Sony was complacent this time when it's obvious that there is significant R&D involved.