I mean sure the SSD speed can influence gamedesign, but multiplatform game will still need to run on Xbox so they can't rely on the SSD Speed...
1st party exclusive Sony games will be nuts though
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I mean sure the SSD speed can influence gamedesign, but multiplatform game will still need to run on Xbox so they can't rely on the SSD Speed...
1st party exclusive Sony games will be nuts though
That's 4.2 Vs 6.
This is 10.3 Vs 12.
So yeah about similar difference. 1.8 Vs 1.7
LOL
You bought into the hype for the one thing that is "better".
Not a threadmark!
But based on what I can understand (very little), and using Daizenshuu numbers, it's a little bit like SSJ Goku vs 100% Frieza on Namek
Almost zero chance for day one but hopefully they keep working on it as the gen goes on
Lol what a bunch of fluff like talk haha.. Nothing that they said got me excited, well not completely true but meh. Not a exciting system. SSD=Great... the audio stuff....nope.. and the rest also nope....
Overall, not a interesting system that i want to buy. Conclusion: skip and waiting for the Pro lol.....and if no Pro i can wait till it's in the 1xx euro region... lol
Team github you were right and i was wrong..... Did not expect Cerny to come with this kind of system......
Overall, not a interesting system that i want to buy. Conclusion: skip and waiting for the Pro lol.....and if no Pro i can wait till it's in the 1xx euro region... lol
Team github you were right and i was wrong..... Did not expect Cerny to come with this kind of system......
The specs are good, but the PS5 is very very underwhelming to me compared to the XSX.
And now that I've lost interest in almost all of Sony's exclusives (not a big fan of MS's either) compared to the good ol' PS2 days, Game Pass is my biggest consideration right now. It's too good of a value, so I'm just gonna stick with XSX.
If better, more comprehensive BC was confirmed, I'd be more hyped, but it's a shame that Sony only seems to be sticking with PS4 BC.
And now that I've lost interest in almost all of Sony's exclusives (not a big fan of MS's either) compared to the good ol' PS2 days, Game Pass is my biggest consideration right now. It's too good of a value, so I'm just gonna stick with XSX.
If better, more comprehensive BC was confirmed, I'd be more hyped, but it's a shame that Sony only seems to be sticking with PS4 BC.
The SSD. However, in a world where third parties (and even potentially Sony first parties themselves) are developing for not just PS5 but also PC and/or XSX, it remains to be seen whether the PS5 SSD will really get taken advantage of
lmao. Accuratebefore presentation
after presentation
That false
PS4 Pro to X = 45%
PS5 to XSX = 15%
How is that the same ?
That's only if someone thinks that the GPU is the most important part. What Cerny described regarding the SSD is a paradigm shift. I don't understand people that prefer a new generation that's only evolutionary. Don't you want games that are fundamentally different design wise? Also people keep mentioning GPU power as a metric of how much a company has invested in development. That's objectively false. A component being weaker doesn't mean that a company failed but that it has different goals to achieve. If Sony thinks that sacrificing GPU power will give them a revolutionary SSD solution (while keeping costs low) then that's what they should do.
Comparisons to the Xbox One/PS4 are also false since the Xbox one managed to have a similar BOM without ANY superior hardware features. That's not the case with the PS5 and actually I'm not even convinced yet that it's overall "weaker" as a solution.
call me skeptical but i'm gonna wait for some other feedback before even thinking of being more happy for a speedier ssd than a more powerfull cpu\gpu...
sorry if i sound harsh but ps5 is the only console i need and i'm forced to buy but sony cheapen up and fucked up greatly this time because some people can't pay more than 400 dollars for a machine that you use and abuse for 6-7 years.
If my math is correct, the PS4 Pro to XB1X is 30%, PS5 to XSX is 15%
Ego. Cerny has always struck me as being somewhat self indulgent. Does anyone know who the architect of the Xbox, Switch, IPad, Samsung Galaxy, or Surface Book is? Does one guy really design these things? I don't buy it. And if one guys does it at Sony, it's easy to see how he could have fallen behind. With that being said, I still think this is more about MS getting it right than Cerny getting it wrong.
It has a much faster SSD.
Parts of the GPU outside of the ALU may be faster/more powerful if the top and tail of the GPU pipeline is the same as in Xbox - either at its base or peak clock.
The clock speed and therefore that TF number is directly tied to each other.
As the numbers that have been given are the peak speed they can achieve rather than their normal operating speed
This is exactly why Microsoft made a point of saying their specs were not boosted speeds.
In other words, we're in yet another generation where only PS5 exclusives (and at times not even those) will make use of the hardware's one and only defining feature?
We're not about to walk into PS3 2.0, are we? :/
Seems they had price in mind, if price is competitive, that is a awesome console. It will obviously be compared to XSX, but since difference in raw power is the smallest for a while (less than vanilla XBO-PS4 difference and PS4pro-XBX difference) seems that as long pricing is right i see no problems at all.
Price is the key as always. Hopefully is 399 or 449 max. Great specs for that price.
Seems a balanced console.
Price is the key as always. Hopefully is 399 or 449 max. Great specs for that price.
Seems a balanced console.
You're Quoting Turbo numbers.
It's gonna downclock since it's power limited. So it is closer to the 9.2 TF number used before
If it's $400 they'll be fine, but damn if it's $500 and Lockhart still goes with the $300, $500 Series X approach as rumored, that's
Both 1.8 since Series X is 12.1 tf
Now do you—AHP! You got the edit in. You sneaky one, you
Edit: Or... did you edit? Maybe my brain is bad
I'm not disagreeing with your on paper raw spec wise XSX is more powerful. But what I'm saying is do you think Third party developers are going to take advantage of it? Because looking at Xbox one x there are cases where they didn't.
So really it's kind of moot point. There's nothing really that is bottleneking these consoles like there was previous gen with ESRAM, and OS Bloat.
I mean probably for MS first party, and BC titles I BELIEVE you will see them use that 12tf effectively as we've seen from early previews.
The battle will be won on the price and all those custom stuff they put in from the sounds of it.
I'm not sure I'm fully in on the 3D audio tech. I appreciate music and stuff but is it really worth the cost? Although I imagine this will be huge on VR.
Kinda iffy on the variable frequency but from what I understand it's fully dependent on the heat of the console and how the fans handle the thermals(?)
The BC stuff sounds awesome but I can't help but notice the absence of PS1-PS3.
The SSD speeds sound confusing to me as well. It says the minimum is 5.5gb/s so it sounds like it could go higher but is it really important? Like if 80% of the time it's at minimum then it's not really a point in contention. I'm imagine it's a game by game basis.
I've watch the tech talk fully and they only mention replaceable M2 drives. On the other hand this article mentions nvme. Are they the same thing or can you replace the drive and have a nvme slot like the X has?
The tweets from devs mentions that the TF difference between the two consoles doesn't tell the whole story and it seems Sony can close the gap theoretically but simply looking at the spec sheet, the X seems superior in every way. As a layman, I'm struggling to see how PS5 compares favorably despite all the lesser aspects of it.
I guess this will all be answered once the games come out but I can't help but say that I'm quite impatient to wait for it and would like some people knowledgeable answer some of my questions.
In the meantime, RE3 demo for me.
I'm not sure I'm fully in on the 3D audio tech. I appreciate music and stuff but is it really worth the cost? Although I imagine this will be huge on VR.
Kinda iffy on the variable frequency but from what I understand it's fully dependent on the heat of the console and how the fans handle the thermals(?)
The BC stuff sounds awesome but I can't help but notice the absence of PS1-PS3.
The SSD speeds sound confusing to me as well. It says the minimum is 5.5gb/s so it sounds like it could go higher but is it really important? Like if 80% of the time it's at minimum then it's not really a point in contention. I'm imagine it's a game by game basis.
I've watch the tech talk fully and they only mention replaceable M2 drives. On the other hand this article mentions nvme. Are they the same thing or can you replace the drive and have a nvme slot like the X has?
The tweets from devs mentions that the TF difference between the two consoles doesn't tell the whole story and it seems Sony can close the gap theoretically but simply looking at the spec sheet, the X seems superior in every way. As a layman, I'm struggling to see how PS5 compares favorably despite all the lesser aspects of it.
I guess this will all be answered once the games come out but I can't help but say that I'm quite impatient to wait for it and would like some people knowledgeable answer some of my questions.
In the meantime, RE3 demo for me.
Third party developers are not going to alter the way they design and load game worlds to conform to a faster SSD when they can just pass everything through the memory bandwidth as usual. XSX has a significantly faster memory bandwidth and has its own tools to let developers play with settings (SMT option on the CPU).
The thing I'm worried about is noise. I have used my PS4 less this gen than I would have liked. The fan noise is straight-up intrusive. The PS5 GPU gives me cause for concern. I'm gonna go XSX at launch and pick up a PS5 Pro later in the gen.
It's not 10.3 vs 12.
It's effectively 9.3 vs 12. The 10.3 is "boost" only.
Well that was a suspicious amount of 'it's actually better than it looks at first, pls ignore the numbers, here are some custom chips' hand-wringing. We'll see.
They know that their competitors' storage solutions are plenty fast and won't make a difference in real gaming life no matter the hype right now, there won't be any 'insane exclusives' that wouldn't be possible elsewhere just because of their SSD. We're not talking about low-end SATA vs high-end NVMe here, it's all high-end and game data won't suddenly grow exponentially.
They know that their competitors' storage solutions are plenty fast and won't make a difference in real gaming life no matter the hype right now, there won't be any 'insane exclusives' that wouldn't be possible elsewhere just because of their SSD. We're not talking about low-end SATA vs high-end NVMe here, it's all high-end and game data won't suddenly grow exponentially.
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Any games that are streaming heavily should benefit pretty transparently - if they become IO bound. I.e. you may have less asset pop-in/LoD transition artifacts etc.
Beyond things which depend on streaming, yeah, it will be more the realm of exclusives to explore.
I don't think so. I believe Sony even eventually acknowledged that they sold it at cost.
PS4 costs $381 to make, according to hardware teardown
The PlayStation 4 costs $381 for Sony to build, $18 under its retail price of $399. The figure comes from a hardware teardown by research firm IHS that included the bill of materials, which amounts to $372, as well as per-unit cost of assembly in the assessment. The teardown notes that the...
www.engadget.com
Based on what John from DF is saying:
Basically Xbox is the better multiplat machine while Sony's 1st party devs will do crazy shit in their open world games. Sounds familiar.
- Playstation exclusives are open to new types of game design due to ridiculous IO speeds
- Multiplats should be better on Series X outside of load times
Basically Xbox is the better multiplat machine while Sony's 1st party devs will do crazy shit in their open world games. Sounds familiar.
The SSD affecting worlds is starting to sound like MS and the cloud. What 3rd party is actually going to develop specifically for that? How many games will we actually see that play a role? Also, it's not like MS doesn't have a fast SSD as well, albeit somewhat slower.