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On the note of Fashion:
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Player Gender in Pokemon Sword & Shield
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On the note of Fashion:
I didn't play Sun and Moon but a lot of expectations don't seem to be in line with what was available in those games:
Did not ask if you were a boy or girl, just to pick the picture.
https://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/customisation.shtml
9 possible hair colors, 6 men's hairstyles, 22 female hairstyles, good amount of accessories, and tons of different textures/colors for the clothing (but not a lot of physically unique clothing).
EDIT: I forgot there's an even newer Ultra Sun/Moon lol
looks good to me, i will be picking a little brown girl - will be cool for my daughter to have that kind of rep in this game
Alola's clothing options were all tropical vacation-wear. X/Y had way more full length/sensible clothing options.
I can't even use my real first name (Jody) in Pokemon games because gasp, part of my name is also part of a swear word on Spanish! I can't see gf doing anything to risk a single molecule of possible controversy. They're a backwards ass company that way.
I expect it to be an incremental change from pokemon sun/moon which is fine as far as I'm concerned.
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The biggest frustration with making customisable characters is the idea that haircuts should be suited for all skin tones, because this unfairly tends to lean white. Honestly they should step up their game and learn from the awesome black community for The Sims.
It'd be nice if they used "choose your style" rather than "are you a boy or a girl?", ala PoGo, but I'm not holding my breath...
Hopefully, at the very least, they'll let me wear a Che Guevara-style Professor Oak t-shirt again.
Hopefully, at the very least, they'll let me wear a Che Guevara-style Professor Oak t-shirt again.
So you think they'll go back to asking "Are you a boy or a girl?" and you aren't holding your breath that they'll just continue what the last few games have done?
they dropped that aftet X/Y. now they just use a varation of "show us how you look"
Or, y'know, it slipped my mind they dropped that in SM, since it was a series staple since Crystal? Not all of us have a photographic memory for video game text boxes :p
All I know is, they need to raise the male customization options up to snuff, even if it's just by virtue of there being more neutral options. It wasn't as bad in XY because the clothes were more stylish, but the SM/USUM male trainer is straight up a bum, on top of having nowhere close to as many options as the female trainer. Also, please, let's get some afros going. You can't not let me have a fro AND have me looking like a buster. I could just make a girl and not go through the heartache
They didn't do that for Ultra Sun and Moon and Pokémon Let's Go as well, so that's three sets of games lol.
LMAO at the girl not wearing pants in spite of the winter setting and everything else she's wearing. And she's pigeon-toed. It's the second coming of Platinum's Dawn.
Honestly, TPCi needs to just let characters where all clothes and hairstyles regardless of which default they choose at the start of the game.
You don't expect pronoun fluidity from Japan? I think you might wanna do some research there, my guy.
Pokémon Uranium does it right with gender. They have a third, ambiguous option to choose from.
I just hope you can also customize your trainer's skin color too.
I just hope you can also customize your trainer's skin color too.
It feels like Japanese law that girls aren't allowed to wear pants unless A: they're short or B: you show enough skin in another area to compensate.
Exactly, Japanese is insanely flexible as a language in terms of gender. You can have an entire novel written from start to finish without ever revealing the gender of the protagonist. And there is entirely optional ways to speak feminine or masculine while being the opposite gender. It is really Western translations that have pronoun issues.
They let you customize your appearance some in Sun and Moon. I personally don't care if the options are added to, but know some do. I'm fine with a generic male trainer
Female Trainer: Dresses! Cute purses! Make-up! Change your hairstyle! You can go long, or short, shape your bangs the way you like! Here's some flowers for extra cuteness!
Male trainer: Uhhh...here's some pants, and uh, some shirts.
And then they had the mangnificent idea of locking colors behind different game versions. Literal homophobia.
Male trainer: Uhhh...here's some pants, and uh, some shirts.
And then they had the mangnificent idea of locking colors behind different game versions. Literal homophobia.
Willing to bet cold hard cash that the female trainer gets at least twice as many clothing options as the male trainer... yet again...
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I had to delete my 30 hour Y Save because I couldn't deal with the male avatar's clothes "choices". It was worth it, there are SO MANY (good) clothes for the girl avatar. Honestly clothes and accessories should be useable regardless of avatar chosen.
Pokemon games almost never use pronouns, they straight up 99% of the time refer to the player by the given name.
So instead of "give it to her" or "he should be arriving soon" it's always like "Give it to [PLAYER]" or "[PLAYER] should be arriving soon".
The "pick a character who happens to match you" idea is a thing a lot of Nintendo games have been doing lately (I know Pokemon is a pokemon company/game freak thing, but you know what I mean), like Fire Emblem three houses and of course other recent pokemon games, and it's a subtle but very appreciated thing. Animal Crossing is still kind of weirdly ahead of the game in regards to clothing options (LET ME WEAR A DRESS IF I WANT TO GAMEFREAK), but there's definitely a push somewhere within Nintendo for progress in this regard.
I don't like how the skin colors just look like varying degrees of a tan, which isn't help by the lack of "ethnic" hair styles.
I don't play the games, but my son does and likes to create characters that look like him, but in Pokemon he tends to just make something he thinks looks cool because he can't even get close.
I don't play the games, but my son does and likes to create characters that look like him, but in Pokemon he tends to just make something he thinks looks cool because he can't even get close.
I really hope they finally just make all the clothing gender-neutral, though I'm not going to get my hopes up.
All those extra options for the female trainer in X/Y/S/M and still 90% of the things I actually wanted to wear were male-only. I just want to have my character look "cool" instead of "~cute, tee-hee~", why is that so much to ask?
All those extra options for the female trainer in X/Y/S/M and still 90% of the things I actually wanted to wear were male-only. I just want to have my character look "cool" instead of "~cute, tee-hee~", why is that so much to ask?
In S&M they ask you "what is your picture" or something instead of gender and the text mostly stays away from he/she.
I imagine they'll do the same for this game.
Except they do that in S&M by asking you to pick a picture.
In LGP&E they also have different way of asking.
Hopefully they'll just stick with the "What do you look like" approach as opposed to focussing on gender (there's just no need to make the differentiation). But if you'd like freely accessible clothing, I don't see it happening. It's not too much to ask for, but given the work we live in, it may be too much to hope for.
Id like to be able to change the skin color like in pokemon go. I don't really care about clothes unless they have stats or abilities on them.
This is blatantly untrue in a few different ways, so I'm gonna break this down.
- I don't know where you mean by the overall population, but assuming you mean America, according to wikipedia:
This obviously doesn't include trans individuals/other people outside the gender binary in some way, and also it's still difficult to get truly accurate figures when the unknown "how many people are closeted at the time of the study" is at play. Which you might say "Oh how many people could that possibly be", but other countries have notably higher figures than America. Is America just not very queer for some reason? Or is it that there are a lot of places where you wouldn't want that knowledge public?
If you mean the world population, obviously people are going to be VERY closeted in countries where their lives are at risk. It's just impossible at this point to estimate how many LGBTQ+ people there are there. - In this specific instance, it's not about representation per say. It's about not excluding people. Objectively, only using they pronouns is less work on the writers and programmers, than going out of their way to gender the protagonists. It's less words, and less variables to worry about.
The clothing is admittedly more work when you think about modelling them on both protagonists, but, to turn it around let's say they wanted to pad out the clothing lineup for both characters. At least BASING clothes on clothes already available for the other option is probably less work than outright making new ones. And tbh, the male clothing lineup leaves a lot to be desired anyway. It's not a bad idea.
I mean, OP isn't exactly asking for representation. They, and others, are just wondering if customization options will be more flexible thus allowing for a greater sense of self-identification with their custom avatars.
There's a lot that can be done here. Gender-neutral clothing options (all clothing would be best), increased options across the board (especially for male trainers), greater diversification of those options (see posters in this thread regarding hair options for black characters). Pokemon is doing some things right, such as not relying on possibly unhelpful pronouns and moving away from gender binary identification at character creation. But it could do more.
These are all things I'm hoping to see in the customization options, but I'm not really holding my breath.
Why do they need to make clothes and styling options gender-exclusive exactly?
2064 had multiple pronouns including custom ones you could set for your character. Pokemon has significantly more money put into it and your character's gender isn't a focus in the story like say Persona 5 where it'd take significant work to accommodate a female MC.
It isn't exactly an unreasonable request.
Hey, Oak doesn't assume peoples' genders.It's Pokemon and it's Gamefreak
This. We need way more options for both characters. For some reason they got rid of tights & leggings in SM. I hope they really consider offering a wide variety of clothes this time!
I played Sun and Moon. Couldn't do it. The only option were.... cornrows.
To be fair, it's Britain so being underdressed for the cold is the norm.
Just walk around a town centre on a Friday night.
The pronoun conondrum would be easily solved if, after you chose your portrait, the game asks you if you're a boy or a girl. So regardless of what you chose as your avatar (the more masculine or feminine versions) you still get to choose the gender, right?
Problem solved. This one's for free, Game Freak!
Problem solved. This one's for free, Game Freak!
Wouldn't it be better for the game to ask that after you choose how you look? So you can choose, say, the more masculine avatar and get to say you're a girl and the game will use female pronouns! Problem solved!