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Play Has No Limits*

Specific Power Ranger

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*Except for the year 2013. If the playstation game is older than that, then that's just too bad. Go find your ps3 !

Whenever i see that slogan, that's what pops into my mind. I really hope sony gets on board again with BC soon. I have a lot of respect for Microsofts approach and I would likely be going with an Xbox this gen if I had old xbox games. As someone who has been playing playstation since 96 and has mostly owned playstation consoles throughout my life, the lack of access to most of my library on the ps5 (and 4 but the ps4 wouldn't be able to pull ps3 bc off) absolutely sucks.
 
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what microsoft did with bc starting halfway through the xbox one's life was incredible. i feel like it kinda came out of nowhere too? like it went from "no that's impossible" to "these games just work now" relatively overnight.
 
Zephy

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Agree. Maybe on the Playstation 12 they'll find enough power to emulate de PS2.
 
Poldino

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How many games from OG Xbox and 360 are backwards compatible with Series consoles?
Also, how's Nintendo doing on this front? Can you play your past Wii/WiiU/GameCube past library on Switch?
 
catashtrophe

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Can every OG Xbox and 360 game ever made run on Series console?

Also I know I can't play any of my OG NES games on any Nintendo console from SNES onwards so why just target Sony?
 
MeltedDreams

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A lot of older Xbox, Xbox 360 games are not BC with Series consoles either (I can't play my Bangai-o HD dammit!). I admire MS effort though.
 
Poldino

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Amalexia said:
like 600
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Microsoft has a comprehensive list of the games that play on its new consoles: 568 games from the Xbox 360 and only 39 games from the original Xbox library are currently backward compatible.
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Okay, so from a total of 2134 Xbox 360 games, we have 568 that are backwards compatible on current gen console and 39 from the og Xbox.

It's not that easy to have full compatibility

How about Nintendo? Doesn't seems to me that you can have access to anything from your previous libraries on the Switch. This is not just a Playstation problem, I guess
 
Betamaxbandit

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catashtrophe said:
Can every OG Xbox and 360 game ever made run on Series console?

Also I know I can't play any of my OG NES games on any Nintendo console from SNES onwards so why just target Sony?
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The good old whataboutery statement never fails to make me smile. Perhaps OP is a Sony customer and would simply like a similar option. Its not a personal attack on you and your chosen piece of plastic that sits under your tv. They have an opinion and if more voice it perhaps other companies may follow suit
 
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Gradon

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blame space said:
what microsoft did with bc starting halfway through the xbox one's life was incredible. i feel like it kinda came out of nowhere too? like it went from "no that's impossible" to "these games just work now" relatively overnight.
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Didn't Microsoft put resources together specifically to create a BC team they've had working it on since Xbox launch? Anyway what they've done is a marvel. I'm very happy with the Xbox output. The fact you can put in an Xbox original disk that you bought in 2001 and it can work on the Xbox Series X (albeit not a huge list of Xbox original games atm) is just absolute insanity.
 
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Poldino said:
How many games from OG Xbox and 360 are backwards compatible with Series consoles?
Also, how's Nintendo doing on this front? Can you play your past Wii/WiiU/GameCube past library on Switch?
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Don't be so mean, some people do like to remind us of some things that aren't news to keep with the narrative. And ignoring also part of the players, like Nintendo, selectively for a reason.
 
.exe

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Let's just assume Cell is too heckin complex even in 2021 — fine! A good PS1 and PS2 library is also acceptable.

catashtrophe said:
Can every OG Xbox and 360 game ever made run on Series console?

Also I know I can't play any of my OG NES games on any Nintendo console from SNES onwards so why just target Sony?
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Wow…
 
Poldino

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Betamaxbandit said:
The good old whataboutery statement never fails to make me smile. Perhaps OP is a Sony customer and would simply like a similar option. Its not a personal attack on you and your chosen piece of plastic that sits under your tv. They have an opinion and if more voice it perhaps other companies may follow suit
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Maybe it's not that easy to offer full compatibility with 15/20 years old titles? Nintendo is not doing it, Sony is not doing it, Microsoft is making very good efforts but we're far away from having anything even closer to 1/3 of the full Xbox-360 catalogue

Maybe it's not like you just turn a switch on and you can have thousands of 20-years old games ready and playable on your 2020 console
 

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I've said this before but I'm pretty satisfied when it comes to PS2 games. I can buy a decent selection of PS2 games on PSN (a similar number to Xbox) and there are also loads of remasters.

But the total lack of PS1, PSP, PSV games and a total non-effort from Sony to get their own classic games on PS4-5 is embarrassing.
 
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Specific Power Ranger

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Poldino said:
Okay, so from a total of 2134 Xbox 360 games, we have 568 that are backwards compatible on current gen console and 39 from the og Xbox.

It's not that easy to have full compatibility

How about Nintendo? Doesn't seems to me that you can have access to anything from your previous libraries on the Switch. This is not just a Playstation problem, I guess
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You can run ps1 games on pretty much anything that's not a ps5 or a ps4 though.

It's very easy for sony to have backwards compatibility with ps1 and to a degree ps2 games. Ps3 games require work, but RPCS3 shows that they can do it on equivelent hardware (and that's with having to do everything from scratch whereas sony has the documentation)

Sony have even shipped a ps1 emulator on the ps1 classic, that was a open source emulator normally used for pc and not even made by sony.
 
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Specific Power Ranger said:
You can run ps1 games on pretty much anything that's not a ps5 or a ps4 though.

It's very easy for sony to have backwards compatibility with ps1 and to a degree ps2 games. Ps3 games require work, but RPCS3 shows that they can do it on equivelent hardware (and that's with having to do everything from scratch whereas sony has the documentation)
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Can you play your old N64 games on the Switch?
Can you play your old Xbox games on a XSX? On a total of over 1000 games, just 39 of them

It's not that easy apparently
 
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Poldino said:
Can you play your old N64 games on the Switch?
Can you play your old Xbox games on a XSX? On a total of over 1000 games, just 39 of them

It's not that easy apparently
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You can play 600 xbox 360 games on your xbox one x. How many ps3 games on the ps5 ?
Nintendo switch doesn't have the cartridgeslot for the n64 games, but clearly it's not a problem as those games are coming to their online platform in october. It's a choice they make, just like the one sony makes when they completely disregard almost 20 years of their library.

Go turn on your pc and see how difficult it is. Go turn on your psp, your ps vita, your ps3, your ps2. All of those machines can play pretty much the full library of ps1 games, but the ps5 cant. Heck, go turn on your smart watch. It probably can as well.
 
dglavimans

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I never understood why the consoles didn't have at least PS1 support.. The Vita has it and I think the PSP?

Shouldn't be hard to bruteforce/run it and it is simple cash.. Why is Sony that afraid of what made them big
 

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Specific Power Ranger said:
You can play 600 xbox 360 games on your xbox one x. How many ps3 games on the ps5 ?
Nintendo switch doesn't have the cartridgeslot for the n64 games, but clearly it's not a problem as those games are coming to their online platform in october. It's a choice they make, just like the one sony makes when they completely disregard almost 20 years of their library.

Go turn on your pc and see how difficult it is. Go turn on your psp, your ps vita, your ps3, your ps2. All of those machines can play pretty much the full library of ps1 games, but the ps5 cant. Heck, go turn on your smart watch. It probably can as well.
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700+ via psnow
 
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Specific Power Ranger said:
You can play 600 xbox 360 games on your xbox one x. How many ps3 games on the ps5 ?
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PS3 and 360 are not the same thing, backwards compatibility with PS3 is a nightmare
Also, I've already said that Microsoft made some great efforts with their back catalogues, but still you don't have full compatibility even from them, after years of work we're not even at 1/3 of 360 catalogue

Again, it's not that easy
 
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Nintendo was doing alright before the Switch and the Switch itself was not equipped to do BC with either predecessor well. sucks but the reasons are much greater than anything Sony is using as an excuse.

there hasn't been any noteworthy change in how Playstation consoles work since the PS3 to prevent BC so it sting more that they ditched BC. i still have a PS3 around for some games i didn't bother to repurchase and it'd be a real relief if BC extended to it the same way MS supports BC from that gen heavily (a lot of 360 games on BC)

best bet is for MS to catch up and start beating Sony to make them improve themselves.
 
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Specific Power Ranger said:
You can play 600 xbox 360 games on your xbox one x. How many ps3 games on the ps5 ?
Nintendo switch doesn't have the cartridgeslot for the n64 games, but clearly it's not a problem as those games are coming to their online platform in october. It's a choice they make, just like the one sony makes when they completely disregard almost 20 years of their library.

Go turn on your pc and see how difficult it is. Go turn on your psp, your ps vita, your ps3, your ps2. All of those machines can play pretty much the full library of ps1 games, but the ps5 cant. Heck, go turn on your smart watch. It probably can as well.
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The PS3 was a different kind of beast and is a nightmare to emulate
 
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Poldino said:
PS3 and 360 are not the same thing, backwards compatibility with PS3 is a nightmare
Also, I've already said that Microsoft made some great efforts with their back catalogues, but still you don't have full compatibility even from them, after years of work we're not even at 1/3 of 360 catalogue

Again, it's not that easy
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I don't think anyone's claiming it's easy, but it's completely impossible if you don't even try.
 
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Poldino said:
PS3 and 360 are not the same thing, backwards compatibility with PS3 is a nightmare
Also, I've already said that Microsoft made some great efforts with their back catalogues, but still you don't have full compatibility even from them, after years of work we're not even at 1/3 of 360 catalogue

Again, it's not that easy
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You are making it more difficult than it is.

Ps1 and ps2 games is not a problem. Neither is ps4 games.

Ps3 games would take SOME work sure, but if two guys sitting in their sparetime can build an emulator that runs a LOT of ps3 games fluidly on ps5 equivelent hardware, even adding improvements such as resulation scaling without access to the sourcecode or anything, you can bet your ass that Sony could do it if they wanted to.

Even if sony didn't want to spend more than 1 guy in 1 day, they could literally have the same ps1 emulator up on the ps5 that runs on the ps1 classic. It's open source. It's completely free for them to use and porting it would take less time than the lotcheck for it to be approved on the store.
 

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Specific Power Ranger said:
You are making it more difficult than it is.

Ps1 and ps2 games is not a problem. Neither is ps4 games.

Ps3 games would take SOME work sure, but if two guys sitting in their sparetime can build an emulator that runs a LOT of ps3 games fluidly on ps5 equivelent hardware, even adding improvements such as resulation scaling without access to the sourcecode or anything, you can bet your ass that Sony could do it if they wanted to.
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There is a difference between what is acceptable from amateurs and what would be acceptable as a commercial product. I think native PS3 is still too much of a challenge.

But if they offered streamed BC. As in you pop in a disk, or bought a PS3 game from PSN and that gave you a streamed version to play, I don't see why that'd be an issue. I know people here hate streaming but it would functionally work pretty amazingly.

And this is something Sony definitely could do but choose not to.
 
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Most of the games that are important to me from the PS360 era have thankfully gotten PC ports so I can forget that they're otherwise shackled to old hardware (especially PS3). The few that don't have PC ports I can emulate on my PC and they often look and play better than on PS3.

I agree that Sony should do something about BC. But they obviously have little interest.

When companies fail to care about their legacy it's fantastic that emulation on PC works as well as it does for almost any old system.
 

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At the very least port your own damn games! There are dozens of amazing games like all the Ratchet and Clank games, God of War games, Ico etc.
 
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I've been playing ps3 games recently and because of that I've been pretty ok with the ps5 shortages and don't mind waiting at all. Might even wait more for a slim model since I have a huge backlog.
Funny how that works.
 

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Backwards compatibility is one of those weird features that I rarely use, but keenly miss on the Playstation. I absolutely love the fact that my Series X can play all my Xbox past collection (I don't have many Xbox and 360 games, but I'm aware that compatibility isn't 100% for all), but it baffles me that I have to keep my PS3 and PS2 plugged in to maintain full backwards compatibility with my entire playstation collection.
 
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Specific Power Ranger said:
You are making it more difficult than it is.

Ps1 and ps2 games is not a problem. Neither is ps4 games.

Ps3 games would take SOME work sure, but if two guys sitting in their sparetime can build an emulator that runs a LOT of ps3 games fluidly on ps5 equivelent hardware, even adding improvements such as resulation scaling without access to the sourcecode or anything, you can bet your ass that Sony could do it if they wanted to.
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No you are making it easier than it is
As much as i would love to play Motorstorm at enhanced framerates and resolution, resources needed to make that happen in a competent way are probably not worth for them (regardless if you agree or not)
We could argue that if MS has put those resources from BC into making games maybe they would have had a much better first party output for their next gen system compared to Sony.
 
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Poldino said:
Maybe it's not that easy to offer full compatibility with 15/20 years old titles? Nintendo is not doing it, Sony is not doing it, Microsoft is making very good efforts but we're far away from having anything even closer to 1/3 of the full Xbox-360 catalogue

Maybe it's not like you just turn a switch on and you can have thousands of 20-years old games ready and playable on your 2020 console
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In the case of he Xbox BC team, they have actually said that it has become relative easy for them to make these games work through their BC solution. What makes this actually hard is all of the behind the scenes stuff, like licensing issues and getting the okay from the developer/publisher, which in some cases might not even exist anymore or the ownership rights are a mess.

I personally hate how licensing stuff is still an issue and how there is no real good solution yet. Countless of games delisted, because of something that makes up an incredibly small fraction of the actual game.

Edit: Here is a source on the licensing and closed developers issue: https://www.gamereactor.eu/licensin...r-xbox-games-from-being-backwards-compatible/
 
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That's not backwards compatibility. BC is being able to play your old games on new hardware, not having to buy them again or subscribe to a streaming service, where you have to keep paying to keep playing.

PS Now is as compatible with your old games, as Netflix is with your old movies.
 
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I don't even care if I have to buy it again, just let me play Legend of Dragoon on a modern system. Hate any time I have the itch I either have to find my Vita, hook up my PS3, or use an emulator.
 
Firmus_Anguis

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It was definitely one of the biggest reasons why I also bought an Xbox this generation.

BC is f*cking important - Especially in a digital age!
 
dglavimans

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No you are making it easier than it is
As much as i would love to play Motorstorm at enhanced framerates and resolution, resources needed to make that happen in a competent way are probably not worth for them (regardless if you agree or not)
We could argue that if MS has put those resources from BC into making games maybe they would have had a much better first party output for their next gen system compared to Sony.
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What is this place sometimes.

Making games isn't the same as making BC work
 
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There is a difference between what is acceptable from amateurs and what would be acceptable as a commercial product. I think native PS3 is still too much of a challenge.

But if they offered streamed BC. As in you pop in a disk, or bought a PS3 game from PSN and that gave you a streamed version to play, I don't see why that'd be an issue. I know people here hate streaming but it would functionally work pretty amazingly.

And this is something Sony definitely could do but choose not to.
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I think there's been some suggestion with the Xbox BC programme that part of what gets in the way is licensing. Having a license to distribute a game on disc that was signed 15 years ago may not cover streaming that game over the internet, so even this might be trickier than it looks.

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No you are making it easier than it is
As much as i would love to play Motorstorm at enhanced framerates and resolution, resources needed to make that happen in a competent way are probably not worth for them (regardless if you agree or not)
We could argue that if MS has put those resources from BC into making games maybe they would have had a much better first party output for their next gen system compared to Sony.
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You could argue that, but it would make little sense seeing as Microsoft's resources aren't even close to being tapped, and engineers who can build a BC solution won't necessarily have the skills needed to build a game from scratch.
 
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