in fairness, everything from the ps1/n64/saturn generation aged like milk, with the strange exception of tony hawk's pro skater 2
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Platinum's cult of personality masks their abysmal content output
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in fairness, everything from the ps1/n64/saturn generation aged like milk, with the strange exception of tony hawk's pro skater 2
Of course I have opposable thumbs. Don't you see me playing cards in my avatar?
I know, your just racking up the legendarily bad opinions.
This is false and you should feel bad there's plenty of stand out games from that generation.
Terrible thread.
Thread title says "cult of personality" is responsible for platinums success. OP doesnt mention anything about anyone at platinum or anything even remotely close to a cult of personality.
Second, OP barely mentions anything about the platinum trademark gameplay aside from a brief mention of dodge based mechanics.
Third, OP equates platinum games underperforming with them being bad games.
Forth, tries to say platinum barely had anything to do with Nier Automata
Fifth, completely ignores a number of key titles platinum was responsible for and instead acts like acts like their only game is bayo
Thread title says "cult of personality" is responsible for platinums success. OP doesnt mention anything about anyone at platinum or anything even remotely close to a cult of personality.
Second, OP barely mentions anything about the platinum trademark gameplay aside from a brief mention of dodge based mechanics.
Third, OP equates platinum games underperforming with them being bad games.
Forth, tries to say platinum barely had anything to do with Nier Automata
Fifth, completely ignores a number of key titles platinum was responsible for and instead acts like acts like their only game is bayo
The closest I ever came to liking a Platinum game was the first 15 hours or so of Nier Automata, before it vastly overstayed its welcome with repeated content, that awful hacking mini-game, cookie-cutter side quest design and a simplistic combat system that couldn't sustain the bloated and scattershot narrative.
I think they're outrageously overrated and never understood this community's obsession over them. If Phil's gonna acquire a Japanese studio then I hope it's them, so that I don't miss anything of value if I skip Xbox next gen.
I think they're outrageously overrated and never understood this community's obsession over them. If Phil's gonna acquire a Japanese studio then I hope it's them, so that I don't miss anything of value if I skip Xbox next gen.
I'll never understund the gushing over Astral Chain. It seems a bit blannd and boring to me. I hope I'm wrong and the game is actually fun.
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It's not just this community they have a number of near universally well regarded games.
I think with Platinum very often people fall in love with the style first, and then the game. Honestly, what gets more praise? Nier's combat or 2B's ass?
Seriously. Like, forget Platinum, this monster needs to be brought out into the light for his crimes.
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This is an awful example 2B wasn't designed by any of Platinum's staff. they're known for great combat first and foremost
Pretty much. It basically boils down to "stop liking the thing I don't like so much".
It's fine to not like things, but at some point you probably have to accept that you are the outlier and it's not everyone else that's crazy.
I'm sorry, but any studio that puts out games of such quality as the following:
Bayonetta
Bayonetta 2
Metal Gear Rising
NieR: Automata
The Wonderful 101
Transformers: Devastation
Vanquish
is worthy of praise and acclaim in the strongest terms. These devs are masters of their craft. A sprinkling of duds along the way detracts not at all from their proven excellence in action game design. Do you really expect perfection from a small, often modestly funded studio?
Anyone who disagrees with the quality of the games I mentioned is so far out of touch with the ideas of fun gameplay, satisfying and cleverly designed mechanics, and the joyful essence of video games as I've experienced them in my decades as a deeply invested action game fan, that we might as well not even speak.
Platinum is a treasure and their reputation is well deserved. With Astral Chain and Bayonetta 3 on the horizon, I can think of no reason not to be enthused about their future output. They do what they do like no one else.
Bayonetta
Bayonetta 2
Metal Gear Rising
NieR: Automata
The Wonderful 101
Transformers: Devastation
Vanquish
is worthy of praise and acclaim in the strongest terms. These devs are masters of their craft. A sprinkling of duds along the way detracts not at all from their proven excellence in action game design. Do you really expect perfection from a small, often modestly funded studio?
Anyone who disagrees with the quality of the games I mentioned is so far out of touch with the ideas of fun gameplay, satisfying and cleverly designed mechanics, and the joyful essence of video games as I've experienced them in my decades as a deeply invested action game fan, that we might as well not even speak.
Platinum is a treasure and their reputation is well deserved. With Astral Chain and Bayonetta 3 on the horizon, I can think of no reason not to be enthused about their future output. They do what they do like no one else.
Treehouse showed what the game is in a nutshell: Police station is your hub for quests, practicing,..., gameplay is investigation to catch criminals, exploration (mainly for collectibles it seems) and obviously combat which is all about how you use your legion. Sounds great to me.
Op: I don't like games that some other people like, the other people must be wrong!
Rest: "You are wrong" or "You are right" or "AAA means 90+ metacritic.
These kind of hot take threads never go anywhere, because there isn't anything to discuss.
I get why some people get angry about such thoughtless thread openers, but such uninspired/hot-take/troll threads should just be ignored. Now OP got 10+ pages and probably already thinks about the next "hot-take thread".
Rest: "You are wrong" or "You are right" or "AAA means 90+ metacritic.
These kind of hot take threads never go anywhere, because there isn't anything to discuss.
I get why some people get angry about such thoughtless thread openers, but such uninspired/hot-take/troll threads should just be ignored. Now OP got 10+ pages and probably already thinks about the next "hot-take thread".
Platinum + Exclusive
It may turn out to be a good game but the above combination guarantees people are going to hype it up like hell.
Why would people show Platinum so much love, if not because they appreciate their games?
Bayo, Vanquish, Revengeance, Transformers (for me and Saurian Dash), Wonderful 101, Madworld, and everything from Clover. I don't even really think of Neir: Automata as a Platinum game, although it is.
The only failures I associate with Platinum are Korra and TMNT; neither of which do much to tarnish the quality and originality of the rest of their output.
Bayo, Vanquish, Revengeance, Transformers (for me and Saurian Dash), Wonderful 101, Madworld, and everything from Clover. I don't even really think of Neir: Automata as a Platinum game, although it is.
The only failures I associate with Platinum are Korra and TMNT; neither of which do much to tarnish the quality and originality of the rest of their output.
I'm sorry y'all, can we forget about this bad Platinum take for just a minute so Professor Beef can explain why he thinks FFIV and Third Strike are both bad?
I need to know why.
I need to know why.
Well, yes, of course context matters. Yes, Korra "doesn't count" because obviously it was a low-budget, rushed Activision fair and not something that Platinum got adequate time & budget to work on to elevate it to the next level that could've brought it closer to Bayonetta quality & epicness. As such it's not something that properly shows off their skills as a developer. Considering its nature as a quick cash-in on a somewhat popular IP, it was still not some total crapfest of a game. It was mostly just short & lacking in variety (even for such a short game), but the base game isn't a complete failure. Mad World and Anarchy Reigns are both flawed games as well, but still not without some merit/interesting aspects.
Not to even mention a lot of people take into account Platinum's pre-Platinum pedigree as well, considering they have people who were involved with games like Okami, Viewtiful Joe & such.
I love bayonetta 2 but you would think that they would look at the success they had with Nier Automata ( their best selling game) and actually put a good story in their games.
I'm a huge, HUGE Transformers fan and even I think Devastation is bland crap.
I'm guessing it's because FFIV is a relic of the past (linear progression, predictable story, random difficulty spikes) and because 3rd Strike has fundamentally broken mechanics (see: Chun Li).
I know I'm gonna get shit for saying this but I really don't like the first Bayonetta at all. Enemy telegraphs get lost in the sea of brown and special effects, the game is ugly as sin and its chock-full of incredibly cheap instakill QTEs. It even has a fucking escort mission.
Bayonetta 2 is pretty good though, if not quite masterpiece.
Now, fucking Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, despite having a small handful of flaws, is absolutely masterpiece material and one of the best action games to ever grace this earth.
Nier Automata's gameplay is pretty middling. Combat is kinda floaty, doesn't have much depth and gets interrupted by shooting segments and gimmicks too often. It's very hard to tell who to credit for what so I don't exactly consider it a Platinum game, and if I did it would be to their detriment. Ditto for Star Fox Zero, a game I personally enjoyed very much but can't consider to be an objectively good game, and another case of "dunno who did what".
The rest of Platinum's output ranges from meh to awful.
Now that my pipin' hot, sure to be extremely popular take is out of the way, I still get excited for some of their games. I am cautiously optimistic about Astral Chain. And I would fucking die if MGR2 got announced. Also looking forward to Bayonetta given the massive improvement from the first to the second game.
Bayonetta 2 is pretty good though, if not quite masterpiece.
Now, fucking Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, despite having a small handful of flaws, is absolutely masterpiece material and one of the best action games to ever grace this earth.
Nier Automata's gameplay is pretty middling. Combat is kinda floaty, doesn't have much depth and gets interrupted by shooting segments and gimmicks too often. It's very hard to tell who to credit for what so I don't exactly consider it a Platinum game, and if I did it would be to their detriment. Ditto for Star Fox Zero, a game I personally enjoyed very much but can't consider to be an objectively good game, and another case of "dunno who did what".
The rest of Platinum's output ranges from meh to awful.
Now that my pipin' hot, sure to be extremely popular take is out of the way, I still get excited for some of their games. I am cautiously optimistic about Astral Chain. And I would fucking die if MGR2 got announced. Also looking forward to Bayonetta given the massive improvement from the first to the second game.
Nier Automata's success having "nothing to do with Taro" had me rolling.
Anyway, weird and pretty random thread to make. Every developer has good and bad games. In case of Platinum one can argue that their good games outweigh the bad/mediocre ones so it's not a surprise to see people like them so much.
Now if you wanted to make a thread about how similar Platinum's combat system has been across their different titles (with some differences here and there), that would've been a much more interesting discussion imo.
Anyway, weird and pretty random thread to make. Every developer has good and bad games. In case of Platinum one can argue that their good games outweigh the bad/mediocre ones so it's not a surprise to see people like them so much.
Now if you wanted to make a thread about how similar Platinum's combat system has been across their different titles (with some differences here and there), that would've been a much more interesting discussion imo.
In all seriousness, the whole "OMGOSH GIVE IT TO PLATINUM" just shows how much of a cult of personality Platinum has created. Other than Bayonetta, Vanquish, MGR, and Nier. Their output is so pandering. Also so many of their games are just derivative of the systems created in older Clover games (because they were formed from ex-Clover devs.) You have the slow-motion, the big hits, the dodging, the camera framing, etc etc, from older Capcom games like Viewtiful Joe and Okami. In reality we should be praising old Clover games, because without them we would not have the amazing Platinum games.
Yet they still manage to put out junk. Can't blame them, they need to make money somehow.
I'm not Anti-Platinum, their amazing games they do put out are worth their weight on platinum. I'm more against how pandering some gamers can be about how they can do no wrong. That magically giving them any IP will make it better.
Don't get me started on the cult of personality around Kojima... I'm finally starting to like him again because he is finally free of Metal Gear.
Yet they still manage to put out junk. Can't blame them, they need to make money somehow.
I'm not Anti-Platinum, their amazing games they do put out are worth their weight on platinum. I'm more against how pandering some gamers can be about how they can do no wrong. That magically giving them any IP will make it better.
Don't get me started on the cult of personality around Kojima... I'm finally starting to like him again because he is finally free of Metal Gear.
Well that's one way of making sure nobody will ever take your opinion on character action games seriously ever again, I guess. :D
Oh, we know why you "felt it didn't need to be mentioned"; because it doesn't support your narrative, like all of the other amazing games they've put out there like Vanquish, TW101, TF: Devastation, etc.
It's kind of weird how they keep forgetting to click the "put a good story" checkbox before building the release, right?
Nier Automata is probably as good as Platinum get and I didn't enjoy that game because of its combat. Vanquish is also amazing, but they don't look like they ever want to revisit it.
I actually really don't enjoy much of their output. I think people's expectations of Platinum are way too high, blinded by the few "hits" they've had.
I actually really don't enjoy much of their output. I think people's expectations of Platinum are way too high, blinded by the few "hits" they've had.
Fucking preach, bro. People who criticise (or don't even mention) TF:D give away immediately that they don't give a fuck about character action games and are only wowed by shiny graphics.
To an extent this also happens with TW101, but it got a lot more marketing so people are more hesitant to show their ignorance there.
1.How many developers have made 80-90 metacritic games with 4 different publishers?
2.How many developers have made 80-90 metacritic games across 5 different IP?
3.Platinum didn't just "make the combat" for Nier Automata, they built the entire game.
4.I'm a consumer, their lack of commercial success doesn't make me enjoy the game any less.
5.The licensed shovel ware that Activision had them made had extraordinarly small development budgets and time, there's 4 other publishers that haven't had any problems working with them and getting high quality products out of them, including Konami.
2.How many developers have made 80-90 metacritic games across 5 different IP?
3.Platinum didn't just "make the combat" for Nier Automata, they built the entire game.
4.I'm a consumer, their lack of commercial success doesn't make me enjoy the game any less.
5.The licensed shovel ware that Activision had them made had extraordinarly small development budgets and time, there's 4 other publishers that haven't had any problems working with them and getting high quality products out of them, including Konami.
They gather together all the classic series' voice actors that are still with us, and pack the game with myriad references and details that are meaningful only to fans of the original show, then add a ripping soundtrack and a heavily modified and refined version of their signature combat system on top, and you consider the game "bland crap"?
Exactly what were you expecting from a low budget licensed game, if Platinum's remarkable fidelity to classic Transformers didn't win you over?
I'm not actually curious. Just expressing my disbelief with a rhetorical question.
I had an awful, awful time with it.
It looked and sounded great, but the "signature combat system" is awful.
Since we're all out here throwing hot takes
2B is more attractive than Bayonetta, that's why the game sold better.
2B is more attractive than Bayonetta, that's why the game sold better.
I highly doubt the budget even changed that game had a quick turnaround. The quality of the developers is what made the difference.
"Their track record has been real bad" fucking lol
Excellent games: Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2, Vanquish, The Wonderful 101, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Nier: Automata
Good games: Anarchy Reigns, Transformers: Devestation, Infinite Space
Okay games: MadWorld, The Legend of Korra
Bad games: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutants in Manhattan
Dunno where I'd put Star Fox Zero as I haven't played it. Depending on who you talk to it seems to fall into Okay or Bad.
Not particularly difficult to see why people get excited for Platinum's output. It's not all Bayonetta/Vanquish/TW101 tier, but their collective average is still well and truly comfortable in the upper echelon of quality.
Not that it matters. Can't trust an op who doesn't like Godhand.
Excellent games: Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2, Vanquish, The Wonderful 101, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, Nier: Automata
Good games: Anarchy Reigns, Transformers: Devestation, Infinite Space
Okay games: MadWorld, The Legend of Korra
Bad games: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutants in Manhattan
Dunno where I'd put Star Fox Zero as I haven't played it. Depending on who you talk to it seems to fall into Okay or Bad.
Not particularly difficult to see why people get excited for Platinum's output. It's not all Bayonetta/Vanquish/TW101 tier, but their collective average is still well and truly comfortable in the upper echelon of quality.
Not that it matters. Can't trust an op who doesn't like Godhand.
Or maybe people liked what they saw in the Treehouse gameplay
Who knows ?