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Platinum's cult of personality masks their abysmal content output
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The game they "barely had anything to do with' has a +20 metascore over its predecessor and millions more I'm sales, due to the improvements to the core mechanics.
Judging an independent developer by the licensed budget projects they put out to put food on the table instead of by their marquee titles is pretty foolish. Treasure made some licensed games that weren't as good as their original titles, they were still a fantastic studio. Same goes for Wayforward, Two Tribes, Ancient, and basically any other work for hire independent developer.
People love Platinum because of their original titles and collaborations with big publishers on bigger budget titles.
People love Platinum because of their original titles and collaborations with big publishers on bigger budget titles.
They did literally everything that isn't the writing, music, and character designs
Transformers Devastation was good, Metal Gear Revengance, Vanquish, TW101, all the clover stuff is part of the legacy too, as well as Kamiya's history with RE and DMC. Plus Madworld and Anarchy Reigns are pretty good. They have a couple of stinkers, but they have a fuck ton of great games.
You had a decent thread going until you went and did this.
I'd say it's easy to see why they have a cult following. They put out games that are really fun and engaging to play, with some of them being at the top of their respective genres. I haven't played their licensed games, but I'm not surprised they are weaker. If you don't understand why they are special, that's fine. The same happens to FromSoftware, too.
You don't have to like their output. Certain character action games won't appeal to everyone. Don't you like Sonic games? You talk about Platinum as if they were Sonic Team.
You don't have to like their output. Certain character action games won't appeal to everyone. Don't you like Sonic games? You talk about Platinum as if they were Sonic Team.
Metal Gear, Vanquish and Wonderful 101 aren't mentioned and...
...Nier doesn't count for platinum because reasons lmao.
weak thread.
Their big games are very good and Astal and Bayo 3 will likely deliver.
...Nier doesn't count for platinum because reasons lmao.
weak thread.
Their big games are very good and Astal and Bayo 3 will likely deliver.
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This isn't directed at you (your post just reminded me of something), but I also got incredibly annoyed at people trying to handwave my dislike of Automata by saying "lol it's a yoko taro game, what'd you expect?" as if i'm supposed to know who that dude is
Platinum's hits easily outweigh their misses, and outside of maybe TMNT even the misses seem to have redeeming qualities.
Wonderful 101 was great, as were Bayonetta 1+2, and vanquish. I never played nier, but I did have plenty of fun with mad world and anarchy reigns. Metal gear rising was also fantastic.
Overall it looks to me like if it isn't licensed it's probably going to be really good. Seems like a pretty solid track record to me. I guess I should try star fox zero though eh?
Actually lol it's $11 on Amazon right now. Why not? Can it be that bad?
Overall it looks to me like if it isn't licensed it's probably going to be really good. Seems like a pretty solid track record to me. I guess I should try star fox zero though eh?
Actually lol it's $11 on Amazon right now. Why not? Can it be that bad?
I don't personally like automata'a game play that much(though I think that has more to do with difficulty scaling than the gameplay itself), but this is a weird ass take. Automata might be held in high regard mostly due to its storytelling and music, but platinum did the entire gameplay and even contributed to some thematic aspects of the game. Saying they had little to do with it is a terrible take.
Also bayonetta and MGR are legitamately amazing action games, and vanquish is a pretty solid game. Not everything platinum touches may be gold, but they have some high quality stuff in their portfolio.
People like Platinum because Kamiya, Inaba, and Mikami all have a dozens of hits under their belt between the three of them and they're legends in the field. They have more hits than misses and even their failures are interesting and at least make for fun post mortems.
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I do value gameplay, but Astral Chain isn't something I'm ready to trust.
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What a take. They clearly have some budget titles (Korra, TNMT) that were not fully baked games (and probably never intended to be), and everything else comes down in the range from good to great.
They're not always my thing, but c'mon man.
What a take. They clearly have some budget titles (Korra, TNMT) that were not fully baked games (and probably never intended to be), and everything else comes down in the range from good to great.
They're not always my thing, but c'mon man.
I missed what you said about Nier:Automata. Platinum had a big part to do with it and I didn't like that contribution either.
Receipts. Even by the least generous interpretation, they've made far more good games than bad, and most of their 'good' games are in fact some of the best in the genre.
Platinum has a consistent style and flair that's pretty much unique in the industry, and they've been doing it consistently for a decade now. Not everything they make is a guaranteed winner, sure, but more often than not they can be relied on for a great experience, and when they do hit they hit hard.
The idea that P* had 'barely anything to do' with Nier Automata is a dreadful take.
What a bizarre thing to have a vendetta against a random developer then have to have friends kick you to get your thoughts together so you can take them to task on a gaming forum.
Mad World and Anarchy Reigns were good games, never touched the licensed stuff, Vanquish and Bayo 1 was good, Revengeance was fun as hell, I look forward generally to their games. Not sure why you're upset that they're popular.
Mad World and Anarchy Reigns were good games, never touched the licensed stuff, Vanquish and Bayo 1 was good, Revengeance was fun as hell, I look forward generally to their games. Not sure why you're upset that they're popular.
The Activision stuff was obviously to keep the lights on. Call that an excuse if you want to, whatever. I'm surprised you're being this reductive about their talents in regards to combat though. People bring up Bayo because it was one of the best games in its genre and possibly of that generation. In a similar vein, I maintain Vanquish is one of (if not the) best TPS in its genre as well.
I don't know, Platinum makes conceptually/mechanically interesting games that are compelling, even when they don't all come together, and with a good few notable veteran designers at their helm. There's an integrity to their work that feels rare outside of Nintendo. Could the games sell better? Absolutely, but if they started with that being the main goal, they'd just start making games like Ubisoft and EA. I like a lot of games from Ubisoft and EA, but I don't particularly need that type of market-driven design from PG as well.
You've been sitting on this for a while, but maybe... you should've just kept sitting on it? It's all very "I don't like [Thing]". I mean, OK? Your point is people should consider not everything PG makes is a gem? I mean, of course. That you think that's deserving of a PSA is a little condescending, if I'm honest. Especially when the game they're putting out next doesn't exactly look like it's of the Activision variety.
I don't know, Platinum makes conceptually/mechanically interesting games that are compelling, even when they don't all come together, and with a good few notable veteran designers at their helm. There's an integrity to their work that feels rare outside of Nintendo. Could the games sell better? Absolutely, but if they started with that being the main goal, they'd just start making games like Ubisoft and EA. I like a lot of games from Ubisoft and EA, but I don't particularly need that type of market-driven design from PG as well.
You've been sitting on this for a while, but maybe... you should've just kept sitting on it? It's all very "I don't like [Thing]". I mean, OK? Your point is people should consider not everything PG makes is a gem? I mean, of course. That you think that's deserving of a PSA is a little condescending, if I'm honest. Especially when the game they're putting out next doesn't exactly look like it's of the Activision variety.
meh, you can easily ignore those lesser games(only TMNT is truly bad) and assume it was quick money Platinum needed.
Platinum is great and what matters is Astral Chain and Bayo 3 are coming, baby.
Platinum is great and what matters is Astral Chain and Bayo 3 are coming, baby.
Anarchy Reigns was incredible when you played it when it was new and had a decent playerbase. I've had more fun with that game than most multiple games, a really unique experience. Bayonetta is debatably one of the best action games ever created, Vanquish is detabably one of the best third person shooters ever created, MGR is a great entry into the pantheon of great character action games, Nier Automata is one of the best action RPGs I've ever played....unfortunately I haven't played The Wonderful 101 or their Star Fox game.
I think its unfair to call their output abysmal just by judging their budget licensed titles. Every single time they are given enough time, money and creative freedom to really design a game its fucking gold. That's why people love them.
I think its unfair to call their output abysmal just by judging their budget licensed titles. Every single time they are given enough time, money and creative freedom to really design a game its fucking gold. That's why people love them.
Tell me, what parts of Nier Automata did PG not have a hand in outside of story?
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Admittedly I may have worded that wrong after reading your post. Automata's combat is barely anything to write home about due to how the difficulty works in the game, and yeah it likely has a lot to do with the scaling, which is another issue on its own.
''Their track record is bad'' proceeds to list four games out of a 14+ good rated catalog, with only one of them that can be considered truly a bad game.
What is this bullshit about they not doing anything on Nier A? Also Anarchy Reigns is great what are you even saying.
What is this bullshit about they not doing anything on Nier A? Also Anarchy Reigns is great what are you even saying.
Exactly. Aslo wren't they niche as fuck? like bigger bomba than platinum games?
edit: I exaggerated in saying it and i take back.
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I've only played two Platinum games: Nier Automata and Transformers: Devastation. They're both terrible games. The only good thing about Nier is the music and the only thing Transformers has going for it is that they nailed the G1 aesthetic. I've played through them both once and never will again. I always wanted to play Metal Gear Rising, but those two games are keeping me from playing it. I'll never buy another Platinum Games game. I've played two and they were both trash. I won't waste any more money on their games.
The visual design and overall art direction of their games are generally horrible and offputting imo. Their successful projects are those that some body else did the designs for them (nier and mgs). They could benefit from collaborations and focus on game design instead. Beside Vanquish I haven't liked the look of anything they have made personally and considering how badly everything bombed I'm guessing I'm not alone. Looks count for a LOT, just ask 2B, she sold the game.
I mean there is over an hour of high-level gameplay footage out there that shows basically everything to expect from the game. If what you've seen doesn't appeal to you that's fine, but we basically know exactly what the game is at this point.
I can't believe that the licensed games they made just to avoid going under weren't any good. Thank you for the enlightening thread, OP.
It was also cool to leave out all the other games that people like them for like MGR, Vanquish and Wonderful 101 so that we can pretend Bayonetta is the only good series they've made. That's not disingenuous at all.
It was also cool to leave out all the other games that people like them for like MGR, Vanquish and Wonderful 101 so that we can pretend Bayonetta is the only good series they've made. That's not disingenuous at all.
