Would it even make sense to revisit God Hand without Mikami?
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Platinum 4 - PlatinumGames teaser site (First Reveal: Wonderful 101 Kickstarter, 3 more announcements to come) - See Staff Post
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The second one is just "soon".
They're not revealing all of them at the same time.
That's all.
It's exactly this. People complaining about port begging often do it in a defensive way without understanding the rule about port begging.
Port begging isn't an offense as "I want this game on this platform" by itself. It all comes down to how relevant it is to the conversation.
Going into a thread about God of War latest trailer and go like "omg please bring it to PC" is port begging.
Now, going into a thread about The Wonderful 101, a Nintendo owned IP developped by Platinum Games, coming to PS4/PC on top of Switch, with several interviews from PG staff who's being coy about other properties and other hints at complicated situations about rights holding and wondering about other properties from the same developper and Nintendo being partially involved in said properties coming to other platforms isn't port begging.
What's Mikami up to these days? Maybe he could come back if asked.
I'm not really seeing much of that in this thread, but I agree with your general point that this happens a lot and it hurts discussion. I can't speak to the Horizon thread specifically, as I don't believe I participated in discussion or even read much of it.
He's at Tango Gameworks, should be a executive producer on Ghostwire, I think.
I guess there won't be any announcements today?
Well... judging by the number of backers so far, it'll sell at least 20-30k (across three userbases) *shrugs*
It's exceedingly unlikely that the editor of the announcement trailer and the person who maintains Platinum's website both made the same mistake. But as I've said before, it is possible the information is no longer accurate; we'll know when Nintendo releases a new trailer.
WB's logo isn't anywhere on the box art for the Wii U version, so, yeah, as far as we know.
If one of these games is a mg rising remaster/sequel I am going to learn how to do a backflip and do a triple flip like mario 64 complete with yajuuu.
Rumor? What are you talking about lol. Anyway, if you want to be pedantic about those examples, look at Horizon, a Sony exclusive (developed by one of their in house studios!) is all but confirmed to be coming to PC. To go with a more clear example, look at MLB the Show (developed by SIE San Diego!). Sony invested money into those games (something something it's Sony's job is to sell Sony hardware!), but they're going to other platforms.
It sounds like Nintendo only published it, just like Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge.
Lego City Undercover was funded, like all Lego games, by WB through its TT Games subsidiary. Nintendo's logo is on the Wii U cover because it published the Wii U version of the game.
Nintendo definitely had some level of involvement in Lego City Undercover beyond just being the publisher. Iwata was originally listed as an executive producer, for example. I doubt they provided full funding though.
The primary component of game publishing is funding development. That Nintendo published (or rather "published") NG3 in territories other than Japan means it just handled retail distribution and possibly localisation.
Edit: I should probably point out that it's not uncommon for publishers to say they're "publishing" something when in fact they're just handling distribution. EA did this when announcing its retail distribution agreement with Valve for the Black/Orange Box, for example.
Nintendo being the sole publisher of LCU Wii U means it was, at least, the chief financier of the project. It wouldn't have made any sense whatsoever for a publisher the size of WB to fund development in full only to defer everything else to Nintendo; if WB and only WB had funded the game, it would've been WB-published from the off, like the non-Wii U versions are.
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... Are you guys for real ?
Indeed, that's what happened with LCU as well.
The Wii U version was published by Nintendo exclusively, which is why it was the only version available for four years. There is nothing that indicates WB funded the game in its entirety only to handball the remaining tasks to Nintendo; nowhere is WB listed as a co-publisher of the Wii U version.
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If it was a Nintendo funded game, it wouldn't have been released on other platforms afterwards. Another good example close to what happened here would be Octopath Traveler.
Nintendo didn't give up on their share of TW101 IP though, they're supporting this new multiplatform release according to PG. I'd say it's closer to what happened with SEGA/Shenmue 3.
If Nintendo didn't fund at least the majority of the game, it wouldn't have been a Wii U exclusive. The idea that a publisher with the means to handle every facet of game publishing itself funded development then enlisted the help of Nintendo for the relatively cheap tasks of retail distribution and additional localisation after agreeing to four years of Wii U exclusivity simply doesn't make any sense, especially since development would've began prior to the release of the system and at a time where consumer interest in the original Wii had well and truly waned.
Edit: Misremembered when the game released. Fixed.
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We really don't know the details so it's just unfounded speculation. For instance it's not impossible that WB bought the rights back from Nintendo, that's not unheard of.
I think the W101 deal is actually similar to PoPoLoCrois appearing on 3DS. In both cases the first party allowed the creator to take the relatively low value IP to another platform independently, but it didn't necessarily mean anything for a wider strategy from the first party.
Vanquish rights are with Sega so that's likely out of the question, but God Hand is a standalone game. A modern HD remaster doesn't necessarily have to get the original creators involved for it to be developed.
Folks, they're not Keiji Inafune. They're not stupid enough to try and compete with their own kickstarter with multiple "pay us so we can make a remaster" kickstarters at a time.
Best guess on what they are doing is the 4 are all self-published developments. With some space in between the announcements, that will last till the end of the year.
TW101R they made it clear in their FAQ that they are self-publishing the game. All these announcements I could see as being brand new IPs, or being given the right to the IP to use (such as what Nintendo did with TW101R)
TW101R they made it clear in their FAQ that they are self-publishing the game. All these announcements I could see as being brand new IPs, or being given the right to the IP to use (such as what Nintendo did with TW101R)
lol
Four years exclusivity aside, that's what happened with Octopath Traveler. Square Enix could have done everything themselves but they didn't.
That's true. But if we take a look at Bayonetta, we can see that Nintendo didn't fully fund B2 and that's a SEGA/Nintendo game. So, if we take into account that B3 is a fully funded game by Nintendo as said by Kamiya, it'll also be a SEGA/Nintendo game in the end. We'll see soon enough though ! :D
I don't know much about Popolocrois but it sounds like it started as a manga series (and the 3DS game was supposedly a spin-off). So not sure if it's that close to TW101 case.
Well I would not be surprised that after the success of Kickstarter, Platinum thinks about taking out more projects through crowdfunding in the near future so as not to depend on other companies.
People conflating the importance to Nintendo of a extremely niche game like TW101, with Bayo2/3 is wild. I mean anything can happen, but they aren't even close to the same importance to Nintendo.
Bayo is now Nintendo's flagship action game series for their system that they know people will buy the system for. I am guessing Astral Chain is also their hope to convince the character action game crowd to see that the switch is where some of these games will be that aren't playable anywhere else, pushing hardware sales. I wouldn't be surprised if they are also hoping the sales of these games convinces Capcom to start to put the DMC series on the system (current games, not super old ports)
TW101 is just a tiny niche game that they don't really care much about as it doesn't affect them really at all. People aren't going to go out and buy a switch just to play a remaster of a extremely niche game, so it going to PS4/Steam isn't really losing them hardware sales. And lets be honest, the asthetics of the game already place it firmly more in the switch demographic than any other ecosystem. I also bet that neither Nintendo or Platinum expected the TW101 kickstarter to blow up like it did. If they did think it would, they probably wouldn't have let this happen.
Bayo is now Nintendo's flagship action game series for their system that they know people will buy the system for. I am guessing Astral Chain is also their hope to convince the character action game crowd to see that the switch is where some of these games will be that aren't playable anywhere else, pushing hardware sales. I wouldn't be surprised if they are also hoping the sales of these games convinces Capcom to start to put the DMC series on the system (current games, not super old ports)
TW101 is just a tiny niche game that they don't really care much about as it doesn't affect them really at all. People aren't going to go out and buy a switch just to play a remaster of a extremely niche game, so it going to PS4/Steam isn't really losing them hardware sales. And lets be honest, the asthetics of the game already place it firmly more in the switch demographic than any other ecosystem. I also bet that neither Nintendo or Platinum expected the TW101 kickstarter to blow up like it did. If they did think it would, they probably wouldn't have let this happen.
sure, that make sense, but when their next announcement is called coming soon, which mean, let say, each week they unveil something new, i doubt they will launch 4 kickstarter, one each week
i refuse to believe this many people are actually believe what they're saying when it comes to the situation around bayo 2/3. it literally can't be more clear what the deal with these games is between nintendo/sega/PG.
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Just remember, there are people who voted for Trump, so im not surprise people wish they get a port of Bayo 2-3.
Folks, if you really want Bayo, just buy a godamnt Switch. End of the line
That Nintendo "published" the Switch version of Octopath outside Japan is well-documented; there isn't a single piece of official information that lists WB as a co-publisher of LCU Wii U.
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I guess as the saying goes. People will believe what they want to believe
Mario & Sonic could be next, Sega published the most recent one everywhere in the world.
With PoPoLoCrois SIE owns the copyright for video games are credited as such in the 3DS game, so they had to have okayed it.
I see your reply got sorta bundled with the quote so added it above.
Do we even have any sales data WW for TW101? I would think 250K MAX. More likely like half of that.
Yes, Wonderful 101 going multiplat is an outlier not proof Nintendo is changing their business model. Nintendo paid for Bayonetta 2 because they wanted an exclusive and they're doing the same for 3. The big difference between W101 and Bayonetta 2 is the former was a commercial failure. The IP isn't that valuable to Nintendo but Bayonetta is quite obviously valuable. Why else would Nintendo pay for a Bayonetta 3?
Out of the big 3 Nintendo is the only one who can't afford to let their IPs go third party. Nintendo needs them to push sales of their hardware. Wonderful 101 going third party is super shocking but an outlier nonetheless.
It really is though at this point. "Flagship" may be too big of a word, buy they definitely see it as extremely important title, especially since it got a sequel fully funded. Even the Wii U version of B2 easily outsold TW101.
Nintendo, which is fully funding Bayonetta 3, making porting it to other consoles an absolutely ludicrous proposition, certainly considers it an important addition to its library.
And honestly, if TW102 or whatever ever happens, you can bet it almost surely will be a Nintendo exclusive, unless part of this deal with Platinum is giving platinum future say in the IP (doubtful)
Who is saying Bayonetta is a flagship franchise? It doesn't have to be a flagship franchise to be important to Nintendo. I wouldn't describe Astral Chain as a flagship franchise and that's co-owned by Nintendo and Platinum.
I think the fact that Nintendo and Platinum already have Bayonetta and Astral Chain as active franchises is probably what helped Nintendo justify giving W101 to Platinum.
Oh yeah, it makes sense why Nintendo is allowing platinum to go third party but not actually selling the IP to them. They're clearly watching this to see how well it performs on Switch and if it does well we will be seeing W102 on Switch or Switch 2.
it is an important IP for them. if it wasn't, they wouldn't bother licensing the IP a second time for bayo 3. it fills a hole in their lineup that they can't fill themselves.
and your number is wrong, it has certainly passed 1 million. it did ~700K on wii u and switch combined weeks after their respective launch.
I mean, WB is most likely not as well implanted as SE or Koei Tecmo in Japan so it makes a lot of sense.
All eyes are on TW101R so I don't expect anything until they're done with the KS... So yeah, probably next month for Platinum 2.
That's close to TW101 case then ! :D
If Zhuge's figure of $5m for the US is accurate(and it probably is), and we add the Japanese sales figures we have, it's more likely that W101 sold closer to 150k than 250k.