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Phil Spencer "VR is not a focus of Project Scarlett because our customers aren't asking for it."
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For the 1000th time, he's not saying Xbox will never have VR support. He's saying it isn't a focus or priority.
This is the new console wars battleground...
I didn't see it coming.
Personally, I have interest in VR but I'm waiting until it's mature. I've been burned early adopting peripherals too many times. Back to the power glove..
I didn't see it coming.
Personally, I have interest in VR but I'm waiting until it's mature. I've been burned early adopting peripherals too many times. Back to the power glove..
If all you want is VR, then the entire Xbox base aren't concerned to be fair. You haven't bought an Xbox One for VR, nothing's really changed moving forward.
Well according to you, VR shouldn't be a focus right now, which it absolutely should be and is a focus. Please stop downplaying other people's opinions just because you think the opposite.
Focus the energy elsewhere. VR is still up and coming, but there's the entirety of next generation to come to tackle that. Console VR shouldn't really be a focus to begin with. My PSVR experience against my 1st generation Vive underwhelms. Let the PC space keep ironing the kinks out.
No VR for the Xbox, now that's clearly stated to end rumours and speculations.
For VR enthusiasts, the PS5 technically on pair with high-end PCs should someway unify the VR audience.
Today the bar is short and low with games having to run at a strict 60fps on a 2013 PS4.
For VR enthusiasts, the PS5 technically on pair with high-end PCs should someway unify the VR audience.
Today the bar is short and low with games having to run at a strict 60fps on a 2013 PS4.
*Spoiler
Most people don't matter to a vast majority of other people and corporations.
I'm a believer in VR. I want an Oculus Quest really badly, and I genuinely love my PS VR. I was playing Beat Saber just the day before yesterday and having a blast, and I think Astro Bot is one of the most unique gaming experiences of this generation.
That said, I don't mind one bit that Microsoft is considering skipping VR in this upcoming console generation. I don't necessarily want their competition in that space -- mainly because I don't want a potential *THIRD* set of controllers and displays laying around my media room.
Microsoft needs to focus the resources it has allocated to its Xbox division on other things, anyway. Studio acquisition, and the development of can't-miss exclusives absolutely should take priority over a virtual reality solution that may or may not take off.
That said, I don't mind one bit that Microsoft is considering skipping VR in this upcoming console generation. I don't necessarily want their competition in that space -- mainly because I don't want a potential *THIRD* set of controllers and displays laying around my media room.
Microsoft needs to focus the resources it has allocated to its Xbox division on other things, anyway. Studio acquisition, and the development of can't-miss exclusives absolutely should take priority over a virtual reality solution that may or may not take off.
I think we may need to come back down to earth. Are we so sure that PSVR for PS5 will be "on par" with high-end VR next year?
? I never downplayed anyone's opinion in this thread though (lol) while you did:
... How do you know that?
People really gulped the SSD buzzwords down hard. Now we have people who believe a 500$ console is going to be on par with high end pcs in 2020.
I don't think he's wrong. Nailing the core experience is definitely more important early on then trying to integrate an expensive and risky peripheral like a VR headset. It's something that can easily come later if it looks like VR is taking off. MS is already pretty experienced in the area with their Windows Mixed Reality stuff, so if they decide to make a headset it will hopefully move pretty quick.
VR isn't looking like its going to be a big part of the PS5's early life either, so Sony obviously feels the same about the technology. I'm sure both consoles will end up with support eventually, but I don't see any reason why either company would really push it, at least in the first year or two.
VR isn't looking like its going to be a big part of the PS5's early life either, so Sony obviously feels the same about the technology. I'm sure both consoles will end up with support eventually, but I don't see any reason why either company would really push it, at least in the first year or two.
eh fwiw I think Gear VR soured people on early adoption of VR
and I think PSVR and Vive soured people on locomotion controls (or proper intuitive grip/hand controls) (also lack of AAA funded exclusives for a while)
Some of us console faithful thinking we're on par with high-end PCs... and then being brought right back down to reality.
That's a stupid decision. It won't cost them much just to support WMR with pre-existing library (Or even go wild, support Oculus and it's store, Facebook will handle the costs)
Then if demands increased, release an xbox exclusive headset, and develop their own VR games.
Another reason to go with PS5.
Then if demands increased, release an xbox exclusive headset, and develop their own VR games.
Another reason to go with PS5.
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Some of us console faithful thinking we're on par with high-end PCs... and then being brought right back down to reality.
I was speaking about VR as a market, I mentioned specific platforms for that. I know it's difficult for some here to make the difference between the PC as a market and as a platform, but try harder.
In short, from a publisher standpoint the PS5 will let them release multiplatform VR games that aren't remotely possible today. For next-gen consoles hardware, there is a thread about it and yes, consoles will be positioned among the 10-20% of the well-geared Steam user.
Stunning post.That's really too bad. Even in its infancy VR is transformative. As the technology improves, becomes wireless, and cheaper the adoption rates will be huge.
As for his reasoning:
As a trillion dollar company, Microsoft is point blank wrong for rejecting innovation.
Like what?
Also, no one asked for EA Access, Gamepass, Play Anywhere etc...No one asked for Microsoft Rewards for that matter either, but that is one of the least talked about reasons to be in the Xbox ecosystem.
But they aren't rejecting it? They make headsets for Christ's sake. As a company they are heavily involved in VR and AR all over the place, just not in the Xbox division. I am on the side of not wanting it either and I am a very heavy gamer in their ecosystem. They got other shit to take care of over the next couple years.
Why are people acting like he said there would be no VR at all on the next Xbox? That's not what he said.
Because I have seen thousands of in-person demos and tens of thousands of such comments over many years. In the vast majority of demos, people come away enjoying if not loving their experience. This is synonymous with thousands of external reports as well.
In terms of comments, I have never seen a single comment out of tens of thousands that has ever been accurate if that comment was bashing VR. Every commeny bashing VR always involves misconceptions; usually heavy misconceptions, and usually more than a dozen.
VR has come and gone over the years , and numbers show it's not lighting the world on fire .
If psvr only sold to around 5 percent of ps4 owners , I wouldnt take that risk either .
If psvr only sold to around 5 percent of ps4 owners , I wouldnt take that risk either .
I love VR, so this is disappointing. I get that the market for VR is small, but I also think companies like MS can help it grow. I still have a Rift and I think Sony will deliver great VR experiences next generation, looking at what they got going on with their PS5 hardware. Hopefully MS will join in some form down the line.
"The vast majority of our customers know if they want a VR experience, there's places to go get those. We see the volumes of those on PC and other places."
I approve of your enthusiasm based on speculation.
However, another thing I'm trying to figure out is why is PS5 seemingly the only player in this future console VR market when Phil never said anything about never supporting VR, and is also investing their fair share in VR and AR?
I've heard that VR is the future since the early 90's, guys. I love PSVR when I have a party or something, but VR in theory and its current form is a novelty. Microsoft's obsession with the Kinect heavily hurt their console at lunch so I understand why they wouldn't want a gimmick attached.
Funnily enough, this couldn't be closer to the truth. I'm very keyed in.
And yet some of the highest rated games of the last 3 years were VR games. You don't have much to go off here.
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Trash standards for a trash platform. It'll be years and years before VR is anything beyond a novelty.
As much as I like VR it's probably the right call. I do see some time in the next 5-10yrs where it'll go from little to no VR coverage to EVERYTHING IS FUCKING AR/VR and the same people that are taking a shit on VR will be the ones dissing flat screen gaming. Alyx looks great but I doubt it'll change the landscape in any meaningful way.
Very blatant trolling. If these standards are so bad, then wouldn't that mean 95% of all games in the last few years are bad, even something like Control or Astral Chain?
It's amazing how VR is suddenly now the killer app to some of you.
The killer app of what? I'm just talking cold hard facts here.
I wouldn't be one bit surprised if this happens. These people always need something to latch onto. Hate is in their nature.