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Phil Spencer prefers frame rate over resolution - future titles will focus more on that
- Thread starter Earvin Infinity
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As a primarily console player, I'm happy with a constant, correctly frame-paced 30fps, maybe with a tasteful spot of motion blur. I think one of the problems I had with Gears 5 is that its presentation was supposed to be epic and cinematic, but the 60fps made everything seem too light and weightless.
I remember being very impressed with Sunset Overdrive in this regard - it feels very smooth, even though it's only 30fps, because the framerate was consistent and they used just the right amount of motion blur.
Achieving 60fps usually involves compromises to graphical detail or resolution. Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox One X is amazing because they said to hell with 60fps, and gave us locked 30fps with a native 4K image that looks *chef's kiss*.
If framerates of 60fps or above are important to you, you get a PC.
I remember being very impressed with Sunset Overdrive in this regard - it feels very smooth, even though it's only 30fps, because the framerate was consistent and they used just the right amount of motion blur.
Achieving 60fps usually involves compromises to graphical detail or resolution. Red Dead Redemption 2 on Xbox One X is amazing because they said to hell with 60fps, and gave us locked 30fps with a native 4K image that looks *chef's kiss*.
If framerates of 60fps or above are important to you, you get a PC.
I prefer 4k with every effect cranked to the max at 15fps with screen tearing for that cinematic feel. playability comes second.
There are a ton of 120hz panel TVs, are they the majority? No. But this is not some far-flung future tech. As for cost, a 55in Samsung RU8000 can be had for around $650US. Budget brands like Hisense and TLC also do so. It's a lot closer than you think.
Glad to see he has his priorities straight! I don't mind 30 if it's locked, but the problem is it rarely is.
At a certain point you're bumping into reality. Character models in some of these games today are already nearing that point. To think things are going to look drastically better than that.....well, I don't even know what to say. You're going to end up disappointed.
The biggest things I see improving this gen are frame rates, draw distances, the quality of certain effects, etc. You will see improvements across the board, as always, but I don't think they will be described as drastic, especially when it comes to character models.
So you want lag?!
You should halve switched off game mode for that heavy weighty feel
XGS has been announcing cool games which start with Ori and the Will of the Wisps next month.
:) Nothing game-breaking, but I suppose you accept a tiny amount of lag when you play at lower framerates.
Honestly, for Phil to say this is pushing me away from Xbox, especially if Sony continue to focus more on 30fps games. Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spiderman, God of War - all unmitigated highlights of the generation, all 30fps.
Yeah, if you want to live in current gen. Next gen im aiming for 8k 10fps for the Cinematic Pro™ experience. It will be like playing a series of beautiful screenshots
Meant first party games.
Have Ori on Switch, the first one, great game indeed!
lol wut
phil has been talking about framerates as his focus since before scarlett was even referred to "next generation console"
it's also not an either/or.
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look at this guy flip flop (from august 2014 btw)
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So Phil is a politician now? Is he running for office this year? LOL
In before "I've got a gaming PC" 😂
Nope, and I prefer consoles. Had an X1 but ended up selling it since I wasn't interested in most of the exclusives (Sunset was awesome AF though).
But gamepass is a pretty amazing deal, and their controller are *cheff's kiss*, so announcing some exclusive games more in my preferred genres would hook me.
Then be specific and say that instead of saying "announce some cool games that aren't Forza/Halo/Gears".
They've been announcing cool games and will announce more this year especially for XSX reveal and E3.
Playground Games (the studio behind Forza Horizon) were confirmed to be working on a new Fable title. Almost no other details afaik.
I don't think there's a single in game model that gets close to reality. I really think you're over selling the current bar.
Oh snap, so it is actually confirmed? Thought it was still leak/rumor status.
I just recently started gaming on a 34" widescreen monitor. I liked it so much I'm trading up monitors to go from 75hz to 144hz. I think I prefer a 1480P widescreen to the 65" Oled for high framerate games. I wonder how many console gamers would switch from TV to monitor if they felt how smooth and how much more connected they were to the things happening on screen. So yeah...you keep promoting this Phil. 60fps minimum options for all console games. I'll give up my K's.
Targeting 30 fps doesn't make development cheaper. It is a design choice.
Unless you can prove otherwise, 30fps games don't sell less than 60fps games. There are lots of sale charts available.
I could have sworn we'd see an official confirmation by way of a title card with Playground slapped on it, but I must have misremembered the rumour mill.
Looks like it's all but confirmed, but as yet no concrete word from MS. My bad.
All else being equal, optimizing a game to run at 60 will require more development resources than optimizing a game to run at 30. (Of course all else is not equal, usually.) Even getting a game to run at 30 costs resources--look at the situation with Control and their struggles to get the game running well. It's not just a design choice, unless you think Control had performance issues because of artistic vision or something.
What use would sales charts have to prove the answer to this question? You'd need a randomized controlled trial. Show a game that's identical in every way, except framerate, and gauge the response. I think a F2P mobile dev could pull this study off, if they wanted to.
LOL Klobrille will probably take this as a compliment.
Yes, because a 60fps second on a rumored 12TB console with a Zen2 CPU, 16GB Ram, and SSD definitely won't look next gen.
when they're cross-gen at 60 they probably won't. Besides, it's not like it looks real yet, there's always further to go.
4k 60 requires *double* the fill rate of 1080p 120.
From a fill rate perspective, 4k 30 = 1080p 120.
We will find out soon enough when we see the reveals for both consoles and the games for them.
Hol up
So if those games came to PC or got PS5 updates that increased the fps to 60+ would they not be as good to you....somehow...?
Can I just say that that whole interview is fucking weird, and he was actually kinda goaded into saying that
The interviewer said almost right before then that he isn't technical and just wants the graphics to look good and that's it.. Then flips the script to framerate after inferring heavily that he didn't care about that stuff. That's why Phil said "why do you care about 60fps??"
