once if you have tried, you would prefer 4k30 instead for many genres. I tried 1080P60 for Forza Horizon 4 and then I switched back to 4K 30.
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Phil Spencer prefers frame rate over resolution - future titles will focus more on that
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I would be fine if that's the case. Racers are lovely at 60fps, no idea what it would be like if it's even higher, but for Playground's RPG I really want them to go all out with amazing visuals and if that means 30fps.....fine with me. I look at Witcher 3 and see a very smooth 30fps there. I don't know how they did it, but that 30fps looks more smooth than other games, it's interesting.
So you didn't play God of War in performance mode (which almost never reached 60fps).
Because you would have known then that decreased latency actually increased performance in the game, especially for higher difficulties like Give Me God of War.
Perhaps you guys should just be more honest and say you don't care about responsiveness and prefer eye candy to high frame rates. Then we wouldn't have to have this same song and dance in every frame rate thread.
Would I be wrong in thinking this suggests the competition has a console that can render more blades of grass?
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Yes, but you can easily have one without the other. Pushing resolution alone or framerate alone or even both alone doesn't lead to the best looking games.
I look at games more as an art form than anything else I guess? I feel that creators having more control over their art is always better than not. I am also aware that this is an imperfect stance. Technology always marches forward and could reduce the need for resolution/graphics/framerate tradeoffs that were needed at development time.
Explain why it's desperate. I don't get it. They were limited by the CPU last gen so of course they had to lean into resolution harder. Even still they moved a majority of their first party titles over to 60fps for the first time.
Personally 4k60 is the goal for me. I love the sharpness of 4K and the gameplay of 60fps. I hated that we had to trade off so much this gen.
I could see games like Halo Infinite being 30 fps / 1800p or something along those lines on an Xbox One X, and 60fps / Native 4K on an Xbox Series X.
I've been playing 120hz 1080p on my B7 OLED and I can't for the life of me understand how anybody would settle for 4k/30 in any scenario. Hell, I prefer it over 4k/60 every single time.
Phil is right.
If nextgen consoles don't offer HFR performance options it's going to push me further towards PC-only.
Fuck yes.
Phil is right.
If nextgen consoles don't offer HFR performance options it's going to push me further towards PC-only.
Fuck yes.
I just bought a 65" Q70 that can do 1080p and 1440p at 120hz. Please let me do this for as many games as possible next gen.
100% this
He's not gonna come out and say their next games will be physics-driven as long the Xbox One is still in the picture, that's for sure
Wouldn't be surprised if we got OG Xbox games at 8K at some point in the next 3 years.
So nonsense that Linus did a test on his channel and most got wrong all the time, pc players on a monitor.
I'm sure you are one would get wrong.
Im just saying he pretty clearly put that out as a marketing tactic. seems like theyre playing both sides of the coin idk
Is that what you got from this? Phil preferring frame rates over resolution means their competition is more powerful? LMAO
Smooth greenery!
Notice I said "blades of grass?" It's because I don't care about which system has more power. It's something I've said repeatedly on era lol
It's getting more difficult by the week...
60 fps standard on consoles would be amazing.
I'm in the same boat. If a game gives me the option of performance over graphical quality every time.
I´m also fine with this philosphy.
30FPS and eye cand for SP experience.
Competitive and MP 60FPS.
The thing is : this is no different from what Sony and MS have pushed trough all this gen.
It is marketing. Shouldn't you highlight the capabilities of a product that you plan on selling to consumers?
The challenge with the quality/performance mode options that we have seen this gen is that neither choice is optimal and they really should have focused on one instead of giving players a choice.
Most performance options never hit a steady 60fps and usually float around 40-50fps which is definitely not smooth. Quality modes stick around 30fps but the difference is not that large over the performance mode.
MS has been great in pushing 60fps in all of their 1st party titles and I am going to assume that is going to carry over into next gen.
Most performance options never hit a steady 60fps and usually float around 40-50fps which is definitely not smooth. Quality modes stick around 30fps but the difference is not that large over the performance mode.
MS has been great in pushing 60fps in all of their 1st party titles and I am going to assume that is going to carry over into next gen.
It feels a repeat of 2013. Everyone was saying 60 fps was going to be a standard. Reality most people don't give a shit outside these forums. People care about pretty graphics and 60 fps usually doesn't mix pretty graphics outside of a handful developers with insane technical teams behind them. People need to accept this, or otherwise be ready to be disappointed.
Well, Gears 4 campaign was 30fps and when the X came they had options for either 30 or 60fps. Gears 5 fully embraced 60fps.
What remains to be seen if they are gonna do this with non FPS games as well. Truly hope not, I can imagine and hope PG wants to bring a amazing and detailed and lively game world with all the visual fidelity possible on the hardware.
The right answer is always to create powerful tools and allow devs to do what they want and it looks like MS is doing that. Phil is the best.
I did almost the same. From 1080p144 on a 23" monitor to 4k30 on a big 65" TV. I went back to the monitor. It just felt right.
There is no universe where I would want to play a racing game at 30fps. (i play forza horizon 4 at 4k60 tho)
I just want options.
I would also like a high framerate mode for those who want 1080p with high refresh displays.
I would also like a high framerate mode for those who want 1080p with high refresh displays.
Ah yes, Halo/Gears/Forza etc are going to go back to 30fps (－‸ლ)
These fanboy/girl narratives are so ridiculous.
Halo/Gears/Forza built for a 1.3tflop/Jaguar were 60fps. If the base specs they were targeting were a Series X and they decided to go all out on visuals then there's no reason (although unlikely for those particular franchises which I didn't name) that they couldn't be 30fps again.
Also Hellblade II is 30fps...
Ah yes, Halo/Gears/Forza etc are going to go back to 30fps (－‸ლ)
These fanboy/girl narratives are so ridiculous.
I think it's a valid compromise for the XB1 platform, especially the base.
Also a fan of options. Let the user decide if they want more eye candy or better performance. Up to the developers themselves to decide what that ultimately means.
Might be an unpopular opinion on here, but I'm a graphics, scope and scale over framerate guy for most genres, so for me this isn't necessarily the best news. I preferred the days when Halo and Gears would target 30fps and blow the lid on visuals and scale.
That said, this might work out well for people who don't intend to buy a Series X at launch, since the SX could offer 60fps native 4K versions of titles, whilst the One X could target 4K cbr/variable/30fps and the One S 1080p variable/30fps instead, thus the graphical difference would be a little less notable than if the SX versions were targeting 30fps too, thanks to the big frame rate difference instead.
It could essentially be a bit like with Gears 5 on the One vs One X (variable 1080p/30fps vs variable 4K/60fps).
That said, this might work out well for people who don't intend to buy a Series X at launch, since the SX could offer 60fps native 4K versions of titles, whilst the One X could target 4K cbr/variable/30fps and the One S 1080p variable/30fps instead, thus the graphical difference would be a little less notable than if the SX versions were targeting 30fps too, thanks to the big frame rate difference instead.
It could essentially be a bit like with Gears 5 on the One vs One X (variable 1080p/30fps vs variable 4K/60fps).
