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Phil Spencer: "If this is not the year when a family wants to make a decision to buy a new Xbox, that's OK"
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There are multiple points of entry for gamepass. A console is just one of them.
My nervousness on price is ratcheting up. I have zero desire to get a Series X but I am feeling both consoles are going to be pretty damn expensive.
Will double down on what others have said here....I still don't quite understand how money is being made on Gamepass given the fact it constantly goes for so cheap (I think I have had it for 6 months for about ÂŁ2) and I assume MS pay significantly for the games to appear on the service. Would love some sort of deep dive into the economics of it all.
Will double down on what others have said here....I still don't quite understand how money is being made on Gamepass given the fact it constantly goes for so cheap (I think I have had it for 6 months for about ÂŁ2) and I assume MS pay significantly for the games to appear on the service. Would love some sort of deep dive into the economics of it all.
It's also due the fact that they don't need you to buy an SX to play most of the launch window games. Plus PC.
You know, their very pro consumer moves which somehow gets spin as a negative
Phil says, you enjoy the service, and let him worry about the economics.
This has been pretty obvious for a while if you've been paying attention. Not even an Xbox gamer and I noticed it. Hell, pushing Live years ago could be seen in this same light. They've always had some ecosystem as a selling point; now they're just in a position where that ecosystem can feasibly take center stage. I think you'll see this pivot with other companies over time.
This has been evident for a while now. Console sales no longer really factor into anything they do.
this is basically the new "we have a product for people who can't get online" v2.0
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Even that I agree with you, this is kind of dishonest console warrior argument to convince yourself what box you bought.
Please, this is not necessary, it is not enough for people to analyze Phil's speech in a pessimistic way (or dishonest if you prefer) without necessity, we do not need the "other side" attacking too.
Explain the existence of Series X and a potential Series ? (Lockhart) then. Why would a company that wants to be out of the hardware business drop hundreds of millions on console hardware R&D?
Serious question, how many of you actually took economics classes in university?
This isn't surprising, even if MS/Sony can produce the same amount of console this year than they planned, disposable income will likely be at an all time low for a large amount of the population, they're not going to want to produce expensive products that could potentially sit on the shelf longer than expected. There's also the issue with people working from home, there's probably a high chance a lot of launch window releases will miss their target, if that happens it just adds to the worry that consoles could sit on shelves with little to sell people on them.
As for the services thing, we already watched that pushed massively this gen, Gamepass is going to be more important to MS than ever - other companies too, I fully expect to see the likes of EA, Ubisoft etc. push their services on to consoles (Premier and Uplay+) so it'll be very interesting to see which console manufacturer embraces that more, we know Sony were very reluctant to with EA Access.
As for the services thing, we already watched that pushed massively this gen, Gamepass is going to be more important to MS than ever - other companies too, I fully expect to see the likes of EA, Ubisoft etc. push their services on to consoles (Premier and Uplay+) so it'll be very interesting to see which console manufacturer embraces that more, we know Sony were very reluctant to with EA Access.
That deal was ridiculous. If they ever do it again i'll just subscribe for three years and purchase a Series X. In fact I think a lot of people would buy a series X with that type of deal running
What? Phil has stated on several occasions that consoles are still important for them, it's just not the only way they're doing business anymore. They want to provide people with CHOICE. Not sure how you came to that conclusion lol
I don't get this either. They're focused on making the most powerful console this gen. How does that not appeal to the hardcore crowd?
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He is using BLM to garner goodwill. "See how thoughtful we are with our next gen stratagy" when in reality it was the stratagy before covid.
That's what you took from this? People are losing their minds lol
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If you can't afford the console this year because of a global pandemic, that's ok. That's what he essentially said.
Oh no get the pitchforks. Get out of here with that nonsense.
Luckily for Xbox the 3% of the gaming population who will be mad that Xbox is supporting the One for 12ish months after the Series X launch really don't matter in terms of making money.
I've been thinking this for a while. The next logical step will be when hardware is released off cycle to one another, Nintendo already hit this circuit breaker with switch and it was a winning strategy.
Sony is doing a hardware priority approach
MS is doing an ecosystem priority approach
Nintendo is doing a Software /IP priority approach
That's not to say that they all aren't focused on the other things but you can clearly see what they value in how they talk about it.
We might be on the precipice of a post console war era and i for one am excited
I didn't really read it that way. It's pointing out how Game Pass and All Access create a much lower barrier to entry to new owners as you don't have to worry about upfront costs or a dearth of content to play.
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Sure i told you guys why i am here becuase theres no reason buying Xbox console nowdays espically if you own a PC :)
Even if you dont have a PC yet they didnt release a good game this gen by their studios. trust me i have their X but its pointless to have it if you own a Playstation system.. better in third party games and first party games. and what he said he trying so hard to get people playing into hes pass and he dosent care about the Series X, its so sad since i loved their 360 console they had good exlusives and third party
Who wants to make money at the cost of twitter and forum slam dunks?
How? Tell me.
You answered my post by attacking me, so you should start by not doing that...
Game Pass is a niche thing, but Microsoft expects it will grow significantly, which is a pretty safe bet. They aren't yet the Netflix of gaming, but they're on that path.
What??? Did I say take out the pitchforks? Also, even if some people can't afford it, both consoles will be sold out this year.
No interest. It's the console + Game Pass Ultimate over 24 months.
It's times like this I think these boards need a "thumbs up" or '"+1"
Trust me, they will sell plenty of units to recoup R&D cost, what's the fewest units an Xbox has ever sold?
But they are telling you they don't care if you buy it year one, also you can get all our first party games on PC and they want you to be able to play all new games on old hardware.
By the way, this is probably the right play. The services industry is probably easier sledding than hardware and is the future most likely, they just want their hardware to build a sustainable base of users.
This is pretty obvious, I don't know why you are being so naive.
What are you talking about? These points were being brought up when asked about it during covid. If you think these questions are about Phil, Microsoft, or videogames they're not. Also every business interview right now includes talking about the pandemic.
What's dishonest about it? Xbox is creating an extremely strong value proposition for consumers. There's nothing console warrior about that.
The monthly payment part is odd because where I live this is basically the norm for everything, but it's nice to hear from them about this specially when execs liked to say "who sells 10M first wins", etc.
Btw, I like when execs say "affordable", reminds me of Steve Jobs.
Btw, I like when execs say "affordable", reminds me of Steve Jobs.
No interest, but it's slightly more expensive that buying it straight up because you're paying full price for Game Pass Ultimate with the program. It's basically a phone model, though.
This is console war bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself
Attacking your understanding of the topic at hand is not the same as a personal attack.
But do you need to make the comparison with the PS5? The PS5 being used as the ''bad option'' certainly gave a tone of console warrior in the post, I don't deny that the point is fair, I even agree in parts, but I couldn't see it in the same way as yours.
its just my opinion, if you dont like it just scroll down ;)
Maybe that response was unwarranted. But you were clearly reaching with your assertion.