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Pepe the Frog: an unlikely ally of Hong Kong protesters at the world’s largest gaming tournament
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Just did a search for "Groyper" and there's not enough of a difference for me to consider the two distinct - it's clearly just an iteration on the same thing. The same for Pepe's facial expressions.
Same shitty frog.
Yeah, but he doesn't -have- to be shitty. He's only shitty if we let the bad guys keep him. Pepe began life as a perfectly harmless gag meant to make people smile. I hope that in time, we take him back.
I still use Pepe daily as a sticker in the Telegram chat with my gf. It's a great and funny meme.
I'm happy it's getting some positive use.
I'm happy it's getting some positive use.
I've been using pepe just as a funny emote with my friends for like two years, and it's also common on twitch and discord in general. None of those people are nazis. I didn't know about any of the gamergate stuff until a few months ago when I learned it in an era thread, because I (like most people) don't pay attention to what they're doing.
If gamergate or whatever decided to put mario in one of their memes, would you now have to stop using mario because they turned him into a hate symbol? this isn't a sustainable way of operating. Gamergate didn't create or popularize that character.
Nah, he's long since been shitty and that's stained and stained deep.
I don't care enough about a poorly drawn cartoon frog that I've predominantly seen pushed by dickheads for hate reasons to give any modicum of a fuck about wanting it 'back'.
It's the principle of the matter, tho. Pepe started out wholesome, and he should stay that way. What if the alt-right tries to claim and corrupt other wholesome characters like Mario, etc? Do we just let them take whatever they want?
I'm so sad rightines poisoned pepe, there's so many bad posts I read on era daily that I just want to reply to with:
but I can't at the risk of someone thinking I'm a subhuman alt righter.
This is why you should use the lefty pepes
I agree. Imagine your favorite character being corrupted by those dickheads.
They haven't claimed Mario, they've claimed and used extensively a shitty drawing of a frog to the point where I have barely any association to it other than people using it to promoting hate.
The 'principle' argument holds more weight against things like the OK hand symbol where it's globally ubiquitous and predominantly recognised for its meaning outside of hate.
Whilst I respect your feeling that the image is irredeemable, I'll say that for many of us, Pepe was a ubiquitous symbol for something entirely unassociable with hate for a long time before it was appropriated by shitheads. I personally would love to see it reclaimed, even if only to take something from them.
For sure, if that's your vantage of the character then go for it. I just dislike seeing it because I've predominantly seen it used to promote hate. As a result there's a discomfort in the association. I literally cannot see it as anything else, though obviously don't go off on people that use it in a different context.
I do actually agree with this. I used to feel differently and not really care about letting them "have" stuff like Pepe. But just yesterday in fact, someone in my Twitter feed retweeted this really heart-breaking story about 4Chan and the alt-right trying to do the same for them, over a set of cartoon pigeon stickers they originally created for iMessage/Facebook Messenger. It's a long read, but it's really worth the while to understand just how these people work and just how much it messes with completely innocent creators and completely fuck with their lives, from destroying self-confidence to doxxing to denying them revenue on their own creations due to trying to get stuff taken down due to it being linked to hate-speech for reasons completely beyond the creators control, to tons of stuff in between:
After reading all that and seeing how hard they tried to mess with someone for reasons completely beyond their control and how that affected them in so many ways, no way can I agree with the "just let them have it crowd." That's just not right and giving them too much power, power they should never have, and it's that power that's exactly what they want. And indeed, what really struck me when reading that piece I linked was the author mentioning how among the things that helped them get through all that stuff, one of the things that helped was all of the people who loved their creations for completely innocent reasons and just seeing messages about how much they loved them and stuff. I feel kinda ashamed it took me so long to get something that now seems so basic to me, but yeah. No way can I agree with the "just let them have it" crowd after that.
People do this? I'm pretty sure the majority of people dont lol
No one assumes that. Well, maybe a few people in the era bubble, but largely no one does. Use pepe.
Clearly an American. Go to Albania and tell them how glorious it was. Or other countries in Eastern Europe.
people literally only assume that here (and on some twitch channels like Blizzard but they are a company with a image to protect)
some people here do. they don't understand that they pretty much support the other side by jumping at peoples throats like that.
I like pepe and don't care whoever tries to claim it. When alt-right starts spamming whatsapp emojis in tweets, those make us racist too I guess?
This is why you should use the lefty pepes
This is sick I need it in emoji form
Never actually seen this trash dove before, but yes it's unfortunately easy to taint stuff by association
It's depressing, but literally anything can be made into a hate symbol. The Svastika was a harmless Indian symbol of good luck and wellbeing before the 1930s. :/
Maybe it's just the Era bubble but I remember a thread a while back where people were saying, "Yeah if you use Pepe I'm gonna assume you're garbage"
Now THIS i didnt know about, because i remember every hip and young person using the trash dove on fb and it was humorous, then it just died like the wind
Interesting. I wonder what happened between the two segments.
Dominik "Lacoste" Stitpic is European, and I bet he was not aware of the interpretations of Pepe in America and in China. I don't believe the perspective given in the article that Dominik might have worn the Pepe pin in support of Hong Kong protesters. It find it more likely that someone from Valve pointed out the alt-right use of Pepe in-between the segments, and Lacoste decided to wear another pin.
Who knows though? It might be the Chinese staff, or... both.
Maybe related, I remember a video about the Liquid banner on Reddit, I could not find it again so here is the Youtube video.
I think it is Chinese staff making sure there is no message behind the casters. Not the Chinese crowd.
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People are protesting in Hong Kong against thisThis is why you should use the lefty pepes
This isn't remotely true. Pepe is widely regarded as an icon of the alt right and you are living in denial if you think otherwise.
In a way, the Pepe meme was never yours to begin with. It's earliest use is associated with /R9K/ - aka proto-incel culture, from which it transitioned to /pol/, and the rest is history.
I have no idea what any of that means, like 99% of people out there. He's just a funny frog.
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Not really that surprising, seeing as there is incredibly right wing, western imperialist ideology behind a lot of the protests.
You're telling me that the cartoon frog that's been plastered all over mainstream media for the past two years isn't actively associated with the right and Trump's presidential campaign?
There's a very small bubble of people who think Pepe is a hate symbol and vastly overestimate their reach
It's not commonly associated with being a nazi
Lol you don't know anything about imperialism. It's people who literally want a return to British colonialism.
In the US? Maybe.
Anywhere else? No, he's usually not associated with the alt-right.
Lmao. I'm well aware of what imperialism is. The protesters want to stay independent from the dystopian surveillance state that is China. Has nothing to do with wanting back to colonialism. The hell you got that from? Chinese state media?
Where did you get that from? Trump? You seem to think there's an third option where countries aren't controlled by either China or the US/EU lmfao