People who think it's enough to just have it on the back of the box - do you also read every single terms of use form you ever sign?
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People understand the FFVII Remake doesn’t say Part 1 for Square’s benefit, not the consumer’s benefit, right?
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After everything we've seen at this point I'm interpreting the FFVII remake as more of an adaptation than a 1:1 translation. Kinda more like the TV adaptations of books, like Game of Thrones and Witcher. Some things are excised, some things are greatly expanded, some new characters are added, that sorta thing.
I think this misunderstanding is fundamentally why they aren't labelling it. Square Enix has experience with episodic games with Life is Strange, and they have the data for how people buy such games.
So I get why they didn't go with "Part 1", because even in this thread a lot of people who do know it's only Midgar think it'll be a 6 hour experience, but I still reckon they shoulda gone with a subtitle.
I think this misunderstanding is fundamentally why they aren't labelling it. Square Enix has experience with episodic games with Life is Strange, and they have the data for how people buy such games.
So I get why they didn't go with "Part 1", because even in this thread a lot of people who do know it's only Midgar think it'll be a 6 hour experience, but I still reckon they shoulda gone with a subtitle.
They have said that the expanded content will give it the value of a full title. Whether or not it ends up being true remains to be seen.
Nope. You just made this up.
What part of the title "Final Fantasy VII Remake" over a remake of the original boxart tells you this is a multi-part story?
Basically:
And IT is also part of a franchise that has already been established as something that can easily be broken up into seperate parts. People either know it from the book, which has a heavy distinction between the kids and adults storylines, or the popular TV mini-series which has a literal seperation between the two parts of the story.
Except for in every single trailer, promotional advertisement and the box-art itself.
Yes, it does need to. I went to see the movie when I was a child expecting to be a whole story.
But, they are *underestimating* the scope of the game, thinking that it's going to be one normal-length RPG for the full story when actually it is going to be multiple normal-length RPGs to get the full story. That's a great surprise. How are people harmed by that?
And I said it from the beginning. And that if in this circumstance, the customer doesn't get what he wants because he didn't search for himself, it's his fault.
They're not mutually exclusive.
Is that a way of saying when you see cool pictures on a stand, you buy things?
I sense an attempt of sarcasm but it doesn't really goes well with that idea.
It doesn't need to. That isn't a valid comparison.
You're being purposefully obtuse.
It's clear you aren't arguing in good faith, so I'm not even going to bother replying to trash posts like this anymore.
It's shocking to me how people will bend over backwards and make ridiculous comparisons that are nowhere near the same just to defend a multi million dollar company because they like Final Fantasy.
Absolutely needs a subtitle or part 1 on the cover. This is gonna backfire big time.
After it sells 20 million copies, about 200-400 people are gonna demand refunds for incomplete games.
Joking aside, that's my expectations of the problem, no one is going to care other than for a few days before/after release. But it really should have the subtitle to it.
After it sells 20 million copies, about 200-400 people are gonna demand refunds for incomplete games.
Joking aside, that's my expectations of the problem, no one is going to care other than for a few days before/after release. But it really should have the subtitle to it.
It's an internet forum, does every single take need a verifiable source? I have no inside knowledge of Square, this is just me attempting to read the tea leaves of the last several years.
My view on this title is that they announced it at E3 2015. They farmed out parts of it to CyberConnect 2 and then that relationship was too chaotic for them, so they scrapped a good chunk of that work and brought it in house. They've spent five years on development now and they need to release something to continue justifying production. Hence, they cut scope to what they consider the minimum viable product and are releasing that.
The talk of them expanding Midgar and all is great, but I have no illusions that this is going to be a full, satisfying release for anyone but the hardest of the hardcore Final Fantasy fans.
No idea what you're referring to. The Harry Potter comparison is bad. It is factually not the same thing.
that depends entirely on how satisfying the game feels, if it feels too short or ends in an awkward way, there's gonna be a lot more disappointed people
Yeah, I'm arguing in bad faith because I didn't know Harry Potter was a series of books. Sure.
So the part that isn't part of the marketing? The part that isn't being slapped on billboards, bus ads, and candy bars?
So long as the number of deceived folks is above 0, it's worth looking into. There's more people than you and me in the world.
I don't think Squeenix's track record with Final Fantasy deserves the benefit of the doubt.
FFXII was in development hell, took over five years to make.
FFVersusXIII was in development hell and had to be scrapped.
FFXIV was a disaster and had to be rebooted.
FFXV was a rushed out mess that took around four years to make despite being made from the scraps of another.
FFVIIR switched developers mid-way through and development started over again.
And then there's KH3, another Nomura production, taking almost six years to make from the time it was announced.
The amusing thing is that the games people care about the least, XIII-1-2-3, are the ones that seemingly had the most stable development and release schedule lol.
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I mean none of those are really relevant to what we're talking about. Needing to own a PS4 hardly matters when talking about whether the advertising is misleading.
Plus the It poster doesn't even have a back of the box to read, you'd literally need to check the Wikipedia page to learn you're not getting the full adaptation. In that sense FF7R is a lot better.
You are still responsible for what you sign whether or not you read them.
I view it like many others. They always mention it being multipart, they say it on the back of the box and on PSN and above that it isnt a 1:1 Remake but rather a new adaption.
Are we really comparing the back of the box with terms of use? Really?
Are we really comparing the back of the box with terms of use? Really?
I feel like most people will be totally fine and satisfied with a tight 40-ish hour experience, regardless of where the game ends.
I am expecting it to be a 20-30 hour game, with another 20-30 hours of optional side quests / boss fights. I think within those numbers no one is going to be disappointed.
I'm curious if you'll be able to import your stats into part 2 though, or if it'll just start you from a set state.
Everyone who is defending Square: Go look at the PSN page for this game here and tell me that's not misleading. They don't mention that it's only part 1 until this sentence buried down in the description:
"FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE is a reimagining of the iconic original with unforgettable characters, a mind-blowing story, and epic battles.
The story of this first, standalone game in the FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE project covers up to the party's escape from Midgar, and goes deeper into the events occurring in Midgar than the original FINAL FANTASY VII."
They are trying to trick consumers into purchasing this product without being upfront about exactly what it is, plain and simple. The reason is obvious: they know they would lose some sales by being fully transparent.
"FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE is a reimagining of the iconic original with unforgettable characters, a mind-blowing story, and epic battles.
The story of this first, standalone game in the FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE project covers up to the party's escape from Midgar, and goes deeper into the events occurring in Midgar than the original FINAL FANTASY VII."
They are trying to trick consumers into purchasing this product without being upfront about exactly what it is, plain and simple. The reason is obvious: they know they would lose some sales by being fully transparent.
If you bought the game expecting to see scenes from the story past Midgar, you might well be frustrated and disappointed when you don't. And you'd be out $60, so...
Acting like this is no big deal because the buyer would obviously get 40 hours of enjoyment out of it is asinine. Maybe their favorite parts are in the later parts of the story?
A "great surprise"? That they have the opportunity to wait untold years and pay at least like another $120 to get the remake they thought they were getting?
Okay, now I'm convinced, you gotta be trolling. You almost had me, but this last bit was too obvious.
If anyone disputes the thread's title even for a second, they really, really need to readjust their perception of corporations, and maybe join a corporate PR detox clinic.
FWIW it won't be hard for the FFVII Remake to wrap up the Midgar story in a satisfying way. The comparisons to movies are kinda silly - it's much easier to accept if you view the whole Remake project as a TV series, with each part being a season. Not everything will be tied up, but there'll be enough of a culmination, followed by teases of what's to come next.
Of course they could screw it up but yeah.
The fact that you're think your Harry Potter argument is valid is honestly kind of hilarious when they split the final book into two movies and made sure to put "Part 1" and "Part 2" in the title.
You tried using Harry Potter to back your argument when it actually is a perfect example of what you're trying to argue against.
The Harry Potter movies adapted the entire books of the same title, except for Deathly Hallows, which they indicated as "Part x"
FF7 Remake does not adapt the entire game of the same title, regardless of how long its play time may be.
I feel like you and others must at least understand this, even if you personally don't care?
Problem is TV series are generally annual, and this is probably going to be be more every decade or so? Or at the very least people seem to think 3+ years per part, and that's best case scenario. 1-2 would be incredible, but I feel like 3+ is the more realistic expectation... which even at 4 parts would put it almost 10 years out.
Yeah, it's stupid, but anyone who would cares enough to get mad about it probably already knows because of the 5 years of discussion and buildup for the game.
Oh, they'll be. This is not going to be overblown outside of gaming forums.
Read the thread. There's many people giving examples of buyers who decided to get this and are later surprised it is going to be split.
Yeah that's the big question. Ideally it'd be every 2 years, which would line up with how FFXIII's trilogy worked out, but it depends how much asset reuse happens. I don't think it'll be a decade, at least.
I'm not defending the decision, I specifically quoted that poster because they seemed to think that they were selling you a 10 hour game at full price (which I mean, plenty of games are shorter but whatever) and would do this for the next 4 games or however many there will be. They've said this game is a full length RPG on its own. Could they be lying? Obviously.
as for the title, I don't care personally cuz I've known for years, but clearly others do. And they could've come up with subtitles that are perfect for the part of the story they're telling ie the obvious ":Midgar."
Exactly. No one is harmed by making the title clear. The only result is that some people who wouldn't want to buy just the first part of the story wouldn't. And the argument against doing so is that...those people deserve to lose their money? I don't get it.
Cutting one game into three is not the same as a trilogy lol