I mean sure, but the meme coming from people who oppose both parties makes more sense than the meme coming from people who typically enthusiastically support the Republican party.
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Pentagon reverses Trump Directive, allows Transgender soldiers to serve
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I mean sure, but the meme coming from people who oppose both parties makes more sense than the meme coming from people who typically enthusiastically support the Republican party.
It's efforts by those in power to otherize them, it's basically the long game. Like, a thousand cuts, and all that noise.
1) Maintain the "image" of the military being a puritanical, manly boys club that so many of the people in charge need for the sake of their fragile egos
2) Work to dehumanize/unperson queer Americans from participating in an area of society that we count as valuing "real" citizens/Americans. "Are you even an American if you don't fight for our country? Hey maybe since you're not qualified to fight for our country, you're also not entitled to a lot of the other rights allowed to free & equal citizens"
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Painting the other side as just as bad or worse because they mask their problems with social justice is big with them. It's why they like the term "alt-right" and not "shithead Republican that's still going to vote for republicans". Makes them seem more adversarial towards their own party than they actually are. The kind of people who will say "both parties are bad" and then vote for Trump. It's all online argumentative bullshit anyway, but it does exist on the right.
But yes, it does also exist on the left. Which is why I find the whole thing gross. Let's drag the military without using trans people as a prop.
It's not using trans people as a prop? I see a lot of trans people actively pushing these memes themselves, so please, don't erase that.
Lots of people in this thread don't understand what not being allowed to serve in the military means. It's called a caste system and America needs to finish getting rid of ours.
At least in the conservative areas I've been in, it seems a more common thought to believe that everyone should be allowed to serve, so yes. I don't think Trans representation at least in this regards is a wedge issue for people.
If other trans people want to use them then fine. I still don't personally care for it, especially since the only context I've seen them used recently is against my partner from some Twitter randos whose profiles often have MAGA bullshit in them.
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Congrats to everyone now able to bomb Muslims as a career
Im sorry if I offended, you have the right to demand more from government no matter which party is in power. But there is a difference between the parties and those memes are very much "both sides are the same", because they literally just show a bomber and BLM/Trans/LGBT flags with the words "republicans" and "democrats". The facts don't back it up, because we know that there are fewer bombings/wars/citizen killings under Dems compared to republicans.
Pointing out that there is a crossover between the parties that needs to be addressed is not claiming both sides to be the same, it is addressing the similarities and how those in power may use pandering messages to obfuscate them.
Also, I am not familiar immediately with statistics on that last claim. Do you have death tolls that I may look at?
I don't follow conservatives because I don't really give a fuck what they think or say, but okay sure. I don't see what the point here is besides "yeah but also these bad people said the same thing".
here's an alt-light/conservative account posting this meme, I think we can agree that plenty of bad faith actors that haven't criticized the military industrial complex are posting these with zero nuance
I'm trans and fuck any of those dumb memes minimizing this, and especially cis people defending them.
Cruelty is the point
Cruelty is the point
Because it's a common conservative/alt right talking point to say that liberals use BLM/Trans/LGBT "virtue signaling" as a shield not because they ever do anything meaningful to support them. It's the same as the "democrat plantation" nonsense implying black Dems are voting against their interests constantly because they are "told" they can only be Dems.
I'm Arab and Muslim and fuck anyone who actually would want to join the institution that has been murdering millions of Arabs and Muslims for longer than I've been alive.
Imperialism is the point, and both "sides" have been doing it.
1. Yeah, and under Obama, drone strikes far exceeded Bush. It's new technology that the military is continuing to invest in. I have no doubt the number will continue to climb under Biden, but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
2. I don't see any numbers on your third link but okay I'll take your word for it.
3. Is it supposed to mean anything that the number of Iraqi casualties went down after the war was essentially over? Should we compare the casualty count of Libya and Somalia as well?
There are two different important indicators here:
Drone strikes (which obviously weren't as prevelent under Bush since the tech was nascent)
Civilian deaths (combined Iraq and Afghanistan)
Drone strikes increased under obama relative to bush but civilian deaths went down. Then under trump, drone strikes increased and they rolled back the obama regulation requiring reporting these numbers once they started striking in Yemen. However you slice it, Bush had worse civilian casualties compared to Obama, and Trump had more drone strikes compared to Obama.
The news is about making it so that trans people aren't excluded from a profession on the sole basis that they're trans.
You don't need to spare any good will toward the military to understand it's better if careers aren't able to entirely exclude trans people from pursuing them.
You don't need to spare any good will toward the military to understand it's better if careers aren't able to entirely exclude trans people from pursuing them.
Because the Obama admin redefined every male of military age killed as a "combatant" lol. Off course the numbers go down when you change how they are counted.
It's also useful to keep in mind that the military will be the largest individual employer of most demographics simply because it's the largest employer in America by far. The military is colossal, and its scope is larger than militaristic operations in other countries.
yep.
yep.
That formula was from the Bush admin
But sure Obama is still complicit, just measurably less so compared to Republican administrations.
I just don't feel like I'm the mood to be happy since there's so many anti trans legislation bullshit happening in this country. I don't mind the military connotation that much because less discrimination based solely on being trans is always welcome.
And how is any of that good? He didn't come up with it so its somehow ok that he embraced it?
I never said it was good, I said he was complicit but measurably less bad. Which is how I would describe the Dems, measurably less bad but still not good.