And you don't even have his laptop so how can you prove it's a lie when nobody knows?
Just because *your* SSD loads Word/Excel faster does not mean *all* computers will load it just as fast.
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PCs will actually hold consoles back next gen on the CPU side for a while
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Just because *your* SSD loads Word/Excel faster does not mean *all* computers will load it just as fast.
The technology exists everywhere. It's called PCIe 4.0. Double the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0.
Because we dont need to give any real throught to a stupid hyperbole? Anymore then someone claiming it takes 20 minute to toast their bread in a traditional toaster so wait for my revolutionary product that does it normally.
I repeat myself, you are fanboying.
That just means what Cerny says unless specific can hold as much value as a marketing bs.
By the time these consoles are out (assuming they actually have all the listed stuff) PCs will have no problems since they can use them too.... It is not like conosoles are going to have some magical monopoly on faster SSDs and CPU cores.
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I still think we'll have a base clock of at least 3GHz, absolute lowest maybe 2.8Ghz.
Keep in mind that I'm saying that with a 3.2Ghz clock in mind.
On the contrary, I was able to achieve 60FPS in almost every game I played.
Yeah I have to see what comes out of Computex honestly. I still like to build out systems and make adjustments as things progress and I hear rumblings of whats coming. Though it really all comes down to a few parts that usually do not release late into the year for me so if that comes late 2020 and PCIe is 2021 and depending on what Intel does if they make a release Q4 2020 I will be right where I want to be. Everything is always up in the air.
That's always been the case, though it's funny seeing some PC gamers say if they need to upgrade their 5ghz i9, i think the hype is overblown.
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Sorry OP for your sustained exposure to the sophisticated sarcasm of the master race; they may lack social grace but they do get great benchmarking scores.
You are of course absolutely wrong particularly in regard to the high end and upper mid machines that over privileged era users take for granted. I myself still rock a 980ti which I carefully selected back in the day in anticipation of what I would likely need for PS4-era gaming and it still gives very good service. I haven't needed to upgrade since and won't until I have made a similar determination with PS5. So it's a simple obvious fact that new consoles are a catalyst for raising the mean spec bar even for average pc gamers like myself.
None of which will challenge the top or mid top Pc market.
Still on a crude level I'm far more excited about the potential of next gen consoles than I was the last. Native 4K with ray tracing and standard SSD and hopefully VRR? That a damn good proposition especially against a background of hideous component inflation and diminishing performance in the pc market.
You are of course absolutely wrong particularly in regard to the high end and upper mid machines that over privileged era users take for granted. I myself still rock a 980ti which I carefully selected back in the day in anticipation of what I would likely need for PS4-era gaming and it still gives very good service. I haven't needed to upgrade since and won't until I have made a similar determination with PS5. So it's a simple obvious fact that new consoles are a catalyst for raising the mean spec bar even for average pc gamers like myself.
None of which will challenge the top or mid top Pc market.
Still on a crude level I'm far more excited about the potential of next gen consoles than I was the last. Native 4K with ray tracing and standard SSD and hopefully VRR? That a damn good proposition especially against a background of hideous component inflation and diminishing performance in the pc market.
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So wait, it was common for mid-range PCs to have an RTX2080 in 2018, even when they launched in the third week of September? Sometimes I think people get confused on what is entry level, low-end, mid-range, high end and enthusiast level. Did you happen to forget how much the 2080 was at launch? Even now the 2080 isn't exactly a mid-range card, even with the price drop. I mean yeah, a system like that will be more than capable with next gen games, but I think you're underestimating those specs.
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My GPD Win 2 with a low end SSD and a tpd force locked to 2W which means a 1.2Ghz clockspeed on a core m3 CPU does that in 3 seconds.
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The replies in this topic are pathetic.
I feel sorry for you OP, I have learned to avoid to argue with two fanbase in this website; PC and Nintendo. You will get dogpiled on and your point will be dismissed with so many jokes it got diluted to the point a mod will say fuck it they either ban you or close the thread
I feel sorry for you OP, I have learned to avoid to argue with two fanbase in this website; PC and Nintendo. You will get dogpiled on and your point will be dismissed with so many jokes it got diluted to the point a mod will say fuck it they either ban you or close the thread
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Actually I think there's a fairly good chance the PS5 can come reasonably close to an RTX 2080. Plus it won't be limited to a pool of just 8GB for VRAM
If it takes your SSD 15 seconds to load word, it is with doubt that you are even in posession of an SSD
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It can't maintain those real world scenarios either, even if we take his statement accurate. And it costs nearly $400.
Jesus, ERA echo chamber, can you be more obvious? OP isn't entirely wrong. Can you buy top of the line $1000 PC CPUs right now that are miles better than what PS5/XboxNext will have? Yes, you can. Does every PC gamer have them? No, they do not.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games back next gen. This actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games back next gen. This actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
We don't even know the bus speeds, cache sizes, or really anything besides 8c/16t. An 8700K still outperforms the 3700X in games despite having fewer cores/threads. Unless you're going for workstation stuff like video encoding or heavy compression, single-core performance is for the time being the most important thing.
15 seconds is an eternity if you are alt-tabbing between Office programs....hell my previous 2500k build with only HDDs only was able to switch between a Cubase 5 session, Word, and Tablature Software in less than 15 seconds....
Jesus, ERA echo chamber, can you be more obvious? OP isn't entirely wrong. Can you buy top of the line $1000 PC CPUs right now that are miles better than what PS5/XboxNext will have? Yes, you can. Does every PC gamer have them? No, they do not.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games next gen. This is actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
And the average console user will have a much worse spec machine comparatively going into 2020-2022.
And yet we barely hear the argument that the base PS4 or Xbox one will be holding back the next generation, but somehow much higher spec midrange PCs will?
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE Console spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
Unless you think Sony and Microsoft will instantly abandoned the nearly 200 million consoles out in the market now? Or somehow 100 million consoles are going to be sold in 2 years, much less manufactured?
PS4 had crappy mobile chip. PS5 will not. See the difference? And also, not sure why people keep talking about 2022? PS5 is coming in 1 year from now (give or take a few months)! Are you telling me everyone who has PC will suddenly buy 8 core 16 thread CPUs in 1 year? Bull...
Well no shit, if you make a thread with dubious points and you add to your thread:
Of course you will get dogpiled lmao
You. Dont. Get. it.
Those Millions upon millions of PS4s dont suddenly stop existing once the PS5 launches. Unless you think AAA developers can subsisted on just a few hundred thousand consoles during the first year.
And Sony is not going to be making anywhere close to the number of consoles to even replace all of those PS4s within 2-4 years, much less sell them.
If mid to lower ranged PCs are going to hold back gaming, then the millions upon millions of existing PS4s and Xbox Ones, which are on another level of weaker, will be even more of a hold back on future gaming.
This is basic logistics and economics.
And it's a game targeted to run at 30fps@900p on a1.3Tf Xbox One. Next-gen software could be made with 9-12Tf under the pedal.
Jesus, ERA echo chamber, can you be more obvious? OP isn't entirely wrong. Can you buy top of the line $1000 PC CPUs right now that are miles better than what PS5/XboxNext will have? Yes, you can. Does every PC gamer have them? No, they do not.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games back next gen. This actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
I'm still at a loss as to how someone's PC would ever be relevant, especially when a lot of people who "game on PC" aren't actually all that serious about it anyway and are usually playing shit like Farmville, which runs on anything. You may as well be saying that console games are being held back by mobile gaming for how much sense that makes. As for the bolded part, I just had this argument, but apparently it was a single game, and only bad optimization that was the cause.
Jesus, ERA echo chamber, can you be more obvious? OP isn't entirely wrong. Can you buy top of the line $1000 PC CPUs right now that are miles better than what PS5/XboxNext will have? Yes, you can. Does every PC gamer have them? No, they do not.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games back next gen. This actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
Number of cores is only one factor of a CPU's overall performance.
It's possible, but you have to define what you mean by "reasonably close." Within 20%, around a 2070 level? Probably! Within 10%, like the 2070 Super? Would be very surprising.
There is a difference in loading one office program and loading a current project, especially in excel.
Since 70-80 % are on Dual Cores/ Quad Cores (Steam), playing Sweeper and some MS Paint (/s)....OP could not be completely wrong.
Im with you OP ,interesting thought .
Im with you OP ,interesting thought .
I'm glad you guys live in a place where 8700K+RTX 2080 is considered a mid-range PC. Over here in SE Asia the GPU alone costs 2x more than X1X.
Jesus, ERA echo chamber, can you be more obvious? OP isn't entirely wrong. Can you buy top of the line $1000 PC CPUs right now that are miles better than what PS5/XboxNext will have? Yes, you can. Does every PC gamer have them? No, they do not.
The situation right now is as follows:
Big majority of PC gamer CPUs right now are 4 and 2 physical cores. It will be many years before 6 and 8 cores is majority. So yes, OP is correct, PC spec fragmentation will hold games back next gen. This actually reminds me a lot of last gen when 360 came out which destroyed average gaming PC in CPU department. There were many PC ports that received inferior version on PC as compared to 360.
So again, in the end it's AVERAGE PC spec that decides what is and isn't holding back, not the absolute top of the line 0.001% specs.
Your mistake is thinking that PC like consoles is market with single unified audience.
That isn't true at all. PC audience is very varied.
Those who play graphical showcase games are going to have higher end specs
Those with low end 2 core CPUs aren't interested in these games (on PC).
There are plenty of people who play single game, or only indie games that have very low requirements etc.
Sony sold near 5 millions PS4 in three month after the lauch in November 2013.
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