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PCGamer: "Temtem is even better than Pokémon"
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
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Most games are derivative though. All ideas are built from others, and Pokemon itself took a lot of ideas from other games. Even semi recently I would say Mega evolution was a direct copy of the short term evolutions presented in Digimon (even using the name Mega evolution).
Then just explain it. Because no you really haven't. Don't fall back on a: "I feel like explaining it again".
The closest you've gotten to is this:
Which again boils down to: "It's bad because Pokemon did it and Temtem shouldn't have done it."
Like even going as far as explaining stuff like:
- Is the writing bad and not give justification for them existing?
- Are the dojo leaders not interesting?
- Are their difficulty too easy or too hard?
- Are the fights in the dojo's actually any good?
But it's not. There's so much more differences that I noticed. What could be considered "copying" are these things:
-Starters handed to you by a scientist
-Patches of grass
-Rival
I didn't buy the game as of now but that's everything I noticed so far with gameplays and threads
No, catching monsters to train them isn't ripping off pokémon. No, healing your monsters with a futuristic device isn't ripping off pokémon. No, having type disadvantages and advantages isn't ripping off pokémon. No breeding your monsters isn't ripping off pokémon.
IMO you are completelying glossing over the MMO part over the similarities from pokemon.
It's no point arguing with people about this. Not sure why some have a really strange hate boner for this game.
At this point I just want it to do well to upset the naysayers.
I still cant believe everyone was calling the latest pokemon an indie looking game in aesthetic and quality followed by a super indie game in early access surpassing them no problem. Seems like people disappointed were proven correct very quickly.
People mad at Temtem should be mad at Gamefreak/Nintendo for making such stale games with such a big IP.
People mad at Temtem should be mad at Gamefreak/Nintendo for making such stale games with such a big IP.
Considering what the thread's about, I don't think it would make much of a difference at this point. They could have at least bought the rights for the fire rabbit and grass monkey.
Temtem has horrible monster designs, and a generally unappealing art style. That alone is enough to write it off as any Pokémon competitor.
"Every body listen! I have a controversial opinion that i dont think your ready for! Dont click this article if you don't wanna be shaken"
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, I love the design of the Platypet and the other two looked great. Just saying it would make the current situation even worse with how it's already being judged.
Have not played sword/shield but so far the game is definitely better than sun and moon. Can't believe how much of a difference having double battle and harder difficulty makers in terms battle. Aside from that, character and story is much much better than pokemon and you actually have a proper rival. Dungeons so far have also been better than latest pokemon entries. While I agree they might have borrowed a bit too much from pokemon; at this point, pokemon is so bottom of the barrel that even just adding higher difficulty, better writting and decent dungeon makes it much better than pokemon
That's not the closest I've gotten, you've just decided that yourself. You've misrepresented my arguments several times at this point when I've literally explained myself multiple times here. I mean, at this point you aren't going to accept any reasoning I give you. Which is fine, I'm not here to convince you to agree with me. This is my opinion if that wasn't clear. I just think it's silly that you're so fixated on me having a criticism of the game compared to Pokemon when the topic of the thread is comparing the game to Pokémon. At this point you just need to accept that not everyone is going to love the game and all the decisions made on it and that's ok.
You're right. I am. That's because I'm not talking about the gameplay for the most part but what surrounds it. It's not a criticism of every aspect of the game. I've stated multiple times that I'm addressing one aspect of the game and I've even said I don't think the actual gameplay should be that different from what it is. Not sure how I can be any clearer on this. I should probably just bow out of the discussion as I feel some people (not you) are a bit sensitive about this game being compared poorly to Pokémon.
Actually, your mention of Garbodor reminded me of another reason why I think Pokemon still has the edge over Temtem: Pokemon has monsters based on inanimate objects, whereas Temtem doesn't.
They still have 80+ to add to Temtem between now and full release, so there's still opportunity for them to do such a thing and that would be nice to see for variety.
The bold is why i am saying you are completely ignoring the MMO. Just the fact that i can do the "entire" story by battling in CO-OP with my partner makes it a fundamentally very different experience. Fighting a gym in co-op would be very different to just having the gym.
you are supposedly laser focused in what surrounds the gameplay but are completely forgetting that the interaction between the gameplay and what surrounds it is different. This isn't the solitary experience of Pokemon where multiplayer is relegated to a building. IMO you saying something like " elements they copied from Pokemon are implemented poorly. " despite the fact that many of those elements for example can be interacted in CO-OP feels intentionally neglectful.
From my reading comprehension most of your comments read like you don't like X tem tem feature because pokemon did it before. Rather then you don't like X tem tem feature because pokemon does it better. That said IMO those 2 opinions will always be kinda mean since this is supposedly a much lower budget title and currently costs less than half of what pokemon costs.
What happends when the game hits Nintendo Switch (its planned for Switch at least) and if a Nintendo focused site reviews it, and claim that Pokemone is better? :P
I dont know, i feel like people said stuff like this 30 years ago when another FPS besides Doom released. I feel like 'monster catching' is a genre, and it should be explored by other (maybe better) developers.
But obviously the first thing you think when seeing it play is Pokemon, its kinda hard not to.
I had more fun in one day of playing TemTem than I had in my entire playthrough of Sword.
So yeah they're 100% right. Gameplay is 200x better. Dialogue is actually built for an adult and it's actually funny. World is beautiful graphics are better.
Only thing that Pokemon does better is the mon designs but it's not like every PKMN design is better than ever Tem's. It's close enough that all the other things TemTem does better means TemTem still comes out ahead.
So yeah they're 100% right. Gameplay is 200x better. Dialogue is actually built for an adult and it's actually funny. World is beautiful graphics are better.
Only thing that Pokemon does better is the mon designs but it's not like every PKMN design is better than ever Tem's. It's close enough that all the other things TemTem does better means TemTem still comes out ahead.
Can't shake the feeling that this is what The Surge was to Dark Souls.
However, I'm not at all opposed to other developers rolling with the formula. Yokai Watch was great as well, for instance.
I do wish they would have done a little bit more to distinguish themselves from Pokemon artistically.
However, I'm not at all opposed to other developers rolling with the formula. Yokai Watch was great as well, for instance.
I do wish they would have done a little bit more to distinguish themselves from Pokemon artistically.
I dont think the dialogue is especially written "for adults", but its just well written. Incredibly charming too.
the problem with this comparison is that Pokemon (especially S/S) was not anywhere close to Dark Souls. It's more like Code Vein to the Surge.
Now let's not be silly.
Pokémon is genre-defining and has been for decades. There's an argument to be made that it's gotten stale, but they OWN the genre and its tropes.
My point to the comparison, as many posts itt will attest, is that it, on the surface, appears to be too similar to the source material.
Would someone please think of poor Nintendo and defend them from this soulless indie studio ripping them off?? :'(
PC vs Switch. If Temtem doesnt look better than Pokemon the devs are doing something wrong. let's see how this runs on a switch before doing this lazy dev rhetoric.
Just watched the DF video on this game last night, I like that Pokemon is getting some more competition, but I don't like the fact that this game is a wholesale ripoff of Pokemon down to the number of monsters in your party and the number of moves available to each monster. Wish they tried to differentiate the game a bit.
User Warned: lazy dev rhetoric
I think in your effort to defend Gf lazy work you are selling the switch short, we already saw what graphic powerhouse the switch is when you put the effort, problems is, they didn't.
In Pokemon if I mashed A through conversations I felt like I wasn't missing anything.
In TemTem that's not true. That's basically a microcosm of Pokemon vs TemTem for me. Pokemon is living off it's legacy. If they both came out for the first time today TemTem, imo, would be the more successful game.
It can be true, but you can't say that an indie deve is doing better than then by comparing the PC version of their game with Pokemon
Considering that without Pokemon there wouldnt be TemTem this comparison doesnt make much sense. It also ignores the whole multimedia aspect that pokemon has and TemTem doesnt.
I think you can, having a game which is moving low poly stuff like you find in pokemon and manages to have laggy zones (raids) is the equivalent of it being laggy on pc, my suspect (given how this problem does not occur in every switch game and as such is probably hardware indipendent) seems to be related to poor coding and lack of optimization. If temtem did that on pc probably raw power could not brute force a solution. I could actually argue that being on pc with not a fixed hardware is probably more difficult that optimizing on a console.
TemTem seems to lack all of the charm that Pokemon still has. It's missing the "x" factor Pokemon was able to land on when it was first released.
I mean that's the point lol. You're looking at as a brand. I'm looking at it purely as this game vs that game. TemTem is still early access, maybe they fuck it all up. But if rest of the game is as good as the first island and a half it would be the superior game.
Echoing this. It'll be fair to compare Pokemon and Temtem's graphical fidelity when Temtem is out on Switch.
Counterpoint, I do feel that Temtem feels more polished than Pokemon visually, but more in ways that aren't tied to processing power or performance, and more to the time, finesse and attention to detail that was put into developing the art assets. Things like the very flashy and well-made visual FX that are used for attacks, and the lack of any kind of moves where the creature's model is shifted around like Pokemon has. Temtem feels more cohesive and consistent in this aspect, even taking into account the moves that have obvious placeholder animations.
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Wrong thread, here is the correct one buddy https://www.resetera.com/threads/pokémon-home-details-announced-free-and-paid-subscription-switch-and-mobile-app-gts-is-back.167180/page-10
Thanks, bless. I'll probably get it next week since I want to try it still.