It's crazy how now consumers realize that they can have a say and are rightfully protesting and not putting up with these shenanigans and people are like "Think about the corporations.: Not all of us are corporate bootlickers thankuverymuch
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PC Version of Phoenix Point (X-Com spiritual successor, crowdfunded game) 1 year exclusive to the Epic Game Store
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There is no path to instant success. Just good consumer practices over a long period of time. They seem to think that hitting people with sticks will somehow breed dependence.
They hope for a part of the community to have some kind of stockholm syndrome with them
I came upon the phrase "spherical horse in a vacuum", which I hope is an actual Russian saying, and not just something willed into existence by Google Translate.
But either way I like it.
Oh it's a thing. Translation robots are getting too good.
But either way I like it.
Oh it's a thing. Translation robots are getting too good.
Apparently this is what happened here.Somewhat unrelated, but if it can be confirmed, caught my eye
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b0jezz/director_of_publishing_strategy_for_epic_games/
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that's actually a good idea
Epic would still be footing the economic bill, but it would be less negative PR for both sides
I've been waiting for that pc gamer reddit post to hit this forum. BronsonLee will never get to sleep in 2019.
Wouldn't shock me for sure. Pitchford isn't exactly the biggest fan of Valve.
Wouldn't shock me for sure. Pitchford isn't exactly the biggest fan of Valve.
Spherical cows in abstract conditions used to be the most memetic meme during physics lessons, so it may be some variation of that.
I am curious why Epic does not pool the money they use and instead just build a dev support system. They have the Unreal engine and the support for it is brilliant. Get the indies and mid level studios offer publishing deals from the start and they would not look like assholes to the community.
Its funny how he hates Valve but spent years telling that bogus story about his company name and Gabe Newell.
Because as I mentioned before, they don't want to foot any of the risk. Which is how you get situations like this.
Somewhat unrelated, but if it can be confirmed, caught my eye
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b0jezz/director_of_publishing_strategy_for_epic_games/
This is getting more and more ridiculous every time
I know it's a joke about some astronomers/physicists
Engineer, a cow breeder, and a physicist walk into a milking barn...
What? You don't believe Randy beat Gabe in the greatest poker game of all time?
I'm gonna make a thread if no one has any objections?
edit: saw the clarification.
You know, I did not even think about Borderlands but Randy going with Epic Store is something he would do.
I am easily bribed, look at my avatar I'll work for a haircut
This sadly won't happen. Even here on Era, hundreds of people are happy to support them according to a recent poll.
Yeah but I'm not convinced it's enough people to make it worth it for them in the long run.
I guess that depends if Epic succeeds with their plans to transform the fortnite crowd into gamers willing to buy full priced games. I don't see that happening, but what do I know... ;)
"Most remarkable thing about whole EGS movement is gamers, who are accustomed to the fact that videogame devs/pubs owe them something by default, finally discover that unpleasant aggressive assholes with hysteric requirements are sometimes can be asked to fuck off."
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"Most remarkable thing about whole EGS situation is the gamers, who are accustomed to the fact that videogame devs/pubs owe them something by default, finally discover that unpleasant aggressive assholes with hysteric requirements are sometimes can be asked to fuck off."
with Galyonkin's fixes to translation. Not that different actually.
Maybe the next year or so people should definitely brace for impact in terms of Epic ramming trucks full of $$$ into developers/publishers. They for sure have some kind of "is this worth it" deadline in mind, but we are only in the beginning phase.
LOL. Less than 24hrs ago it was, "Backers, here's your Epic key. We'll launch on Steam/GOG next year."
All this backpedaling reads like they're in full-on, panicked Damage Control Mode.
Love to be a fly on the wall at their offices. Wearing a flame suit, of course.
he claimed someone here was "completely wrong" with their translation with the podcast, and it turned out...there was nothing misunderstood
I fully agree but I also feel that long term it's only going to hurt them how they are handling this and ultimately it won't make their store any better.
Classic politician argument ''oh no, you misunderstood me for sure''
Unfortunately, this isn't possible. It's already been confirmed that Valve requires developers not to treat its customers as second-class citizens by offering a lower MSRP or additional (in-game) features on other stores.
I don't know that Era should be taken as representative of the PC gaming at all.
Most of the people on that poll are almost certainly console only gamers who have no interest in PC gaming or the issues with the Epic Store.
PC gaming Era is a minority.
it's what he keeps doing
oh that's a bad translation
i actually meant this:
says exactly the same thing
Are there rumors? I saw something by Randy retweeted by the Steam Spy guy, so I took that as a sign.
I don't see any backpedaling here. Looks like they've elaborated on their initial message.
No doubt a lot of angry gamers have been sending them angry messages since the announcement.
Idiotic if so. Like the Metro bait and switch a few weeks before release, doing it with a kickstarter title that the fans bought into early is even more of a mess.
If Shenmue 3 went Epic exclusive just a short bit before launch there will be a scene from a big cat enclosure if a herd if zebras get dropped in.
As I always say, if you're going to do timed exclusivity it has to be decided early, communicated clearly and not any bait/switch nonsense. Only then may you even stand a chance of slipping by with only a few minor grumbles.
I think Epic has a very clear idea where to take their store. And is clear is not where Steam took it from all these years. They made it clear they don't intend to create a better store than Steam and possibly most of the features Steam offers goes against their own philosophy, they want to create PSN not a Steam-like store.
Uhhhhh excuse me, but the part where it says "finally discover" is actually "finally, with flapping eyes, discover". So it's TOTALLY DIFFERENT!
Btw, the translation is totally on point, like does this guy really think that there are no other Russian speakers(like me) out there that will call him out on his bullshit?
From what I remember, only ~10% of people in a recent poll said they have or would purchase a game from the EGS. Considering such a thread would be self selecting by nature (so non-PC gamers would not take the poll at high numbers), that's pretty small. It's even worse when you consider that Era is a VERY pro-dev community, so are much more likely to buy into Epic's narrative than other (sometimes toxic) portions of the gaming community.
In addition, I also feel like if games were doing very well on EGS, we'd have heard some success stories by now (other than claims they didn't need to sell any copies to be profitable, thanks to the Epic payout.) Even Ubi's claim of increased preorders reads more like a UPlay success, not an EGS one.
I'm sure if the store works, Sweeney will try to lock behind a paywall features like online play or cloud saving.
It definitely isn't, and you also have to take into account the many console people here who support Epic just to be anti-Steam because it was largely responsible for the rise of PC gaming in the last decade. The amount of driveby posts in every one of these threads is enough evidence of that.
I sometimes forget about the comma usage in Russian myself (way different from English). It should sound like this if that's what he thinks the tweet intends to say.
'The most remarkable thing about the whole EGS movement/situation* is that (the) gamers who have all gotten used to developers/publishers owing them something are surprised to see that unpleasant aggressive assholes with hysterical demands are sometimes told to fuck off anyway.'
It's abbreviated and I wouldn't read it that way myself, but it's whatever you see in it. (I did not read it as геймеры (gamers) with an implied которые (which/that) afterwards). In my eyes, it's more like a parenthetical and I would've interpreted it closer to what Ales wrote.
* this is probably some slang that I'm not getting
But regardless, the meaning is largely the same. It's still an entitled gaming rant. Still salty. Still not a great look.
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It applies to all services (such as UPlay, EGS, Origin etc., not key sellers like GMG AFAIK) that you cannot have a lower MSRP or additional features. Like, you can't have two exclusive levels on another service that Steam users cannot access. AFAIK you can have preorder specials and the like, but you cannot say "This game retails for $60 on Steam but has a base price of $50 on our store." (Note that Metro doesn't count, as it was removed from Steam when it moved to EGS at the reduced price.)
If there are examples of either happening, I'm certainly open to being proven wrong!
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FTFY
Don't get me wrong. This place is probably better than lots of other places but I have seen people on here getting mad at devs for using Unity as an engine rather than UE4 which has a "save as .switch" function.
this situation is scummy as fuck and goes muvh more towards showing the ethics of the devs than epic. They really turn their back on the people who helped fund the game the moment a bigger bag of money was dropped on them...