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PC Gaming Era | March 2019 - The Ides of Smarch

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Igniz12

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abracadaver said:
I hope Valve says something about the shit Epic pulls off in their GDC show.

The least they should do is close the store pages and forums down for those games. Seeing the developers using Steam as their marketing and social media platform only to go Epic exclusive a few weeks before release is disgusting.
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They can't do that as the whole things comes with the deal they make and also it will make them look hella petty.

Valve should have been more proactive in making sure they saw this coming but they didn't and now they are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can't afford to burn any bridges and it is clear the dev community is 100% behind Epic as I have not seen a single one outside of era dev posters coming to their defence.

Instead Valve took steps to ensure the user experience kept getting better and better on Steam but they did not anticipate this side swipe from Epic or any other potential rivals. Their insular nature and lack of focus probably contributed to this but personally I am glad that they looked into making the user experience on Steam better over cut throat tactics so I am happy to wait for any games to come to Steam. I value what they do more over some games and I trust them with my purchases more than Epic.

When EA jumped shipped and Ubi started their own store they should have started seeing the writing on the wall and made moves but hindsight is 20/20.
 
YuSuzzune

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Hektor said:
My favorite part today are the sony fans in denial.

"Of course, Heavy Rain is owned by QD, but Detroit and Beyond Two Souls are owned by sony, they won't come"

10 minutes later - all of them have been announced.

"Yea but Bloodborne will never come, it's co-developed by sony"
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I think today showed us that, if you pay enough money, everything can be released on every platform, nothing is "safe".
 
LightBang

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Didn't steam reduce the cut for big games? Because at this point Epic is only stealing big games, so the cut they are competing with isn't the 30%.
 
Lashley

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Dan Longman said:
To be fair Shinobi just States he's not in loop of the issues and it's asking for clarification. It doesn't read as dismissing them
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Which is how people always start their concern trolling with in those threads. Not saying Shinobi is doing that, but it's fucking tiring answering the same questions.
 
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LightBang said:
Didn't steam reduce the cut for big games? Because at this point Epic is only stealing big games, so the cut they are competing with isn't the 30%.
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They did but I don't think THAT many would benefit. Ubi games, probably Outer Worlds, maaaaybe Control (but Remedy has a history of underselling).
 
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LightBang said:
Didn't steam reduce the cut for big games? Because at this point Epic is only stealing big games, so the cut they are competing with isn't the 30%.
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The cut was never 30% for big publishers on Steam, that was basically an open secret in the industry.

Valve just streamlined the rules and made it clear to the public they had different splits, which was the wrong call. They should have completely eliminated tiers and gone with a fixed 20% for everyone.
 
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Alexandros

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Yup. The golden age is over.
We are about to experience another era of GFWL.

Thanks Tim.
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I am ready for an all-out war.

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Epic's moneyhat barrage will not determine the outcome. Customers will. If they buckle, so be it, but we all need to make damn sure that PC gamers are well informed about what's at stake. I have faith in the community.
 
Aeferis

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By the way, if they were also considering Steam pre-orders and were referring to the Redux version of Last Light (as I think they were because, as a company, if I have better looking data why should I use the worse looking ones?) we have a 11,942 all-time peak users playing Exodus at the same time on Steam compared to a 2,819 all-time peak for Last Light Redux.

So yeah, there's that.
 
Mentalist

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LightBang said:
Didn't steam reduce the cut for big games? Because at this point Epic is only stealing big games, so the cut they are competing with isn't the 30%.
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Steam reduced it's cut for successful games

Epic's moneyhat is still a better deal b/c it's guaranteed money in the bank whether the game sells or not. If it does end up selling, that's just a bonus to the publisher.
 

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Who are these people saying "Now its time to pirate!!!!!"

Good job fools. Guess what we're going to hear in every EGS thread from now on.....
 
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Mentalist said:
Steam reduced it's cut for successful games

Epic's moneyhat is still a better deal b/c it's guaranteed money in the bank whether the game sells or not. If it does end up selling, that's just a bonus to the publisher.
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And it won't sell because they are in a shitty store and they will think it was the right decision, even though they could have made more money not going exclusive in the first place.
 
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Please remember to keep your composure in EGS threads. There are always new members unsure of the situation or differing opinions that aren't worth being mean to. You can get your point across without going overboard.
 
Igniz12

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Alexandros said:
I am ready for an all-out war.

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Epic's moneyhat barrage will not determine the outcome. Customers will. If they buckle, so be it, but we all need to make damn sure that PC gamers are well informed about what's at stake. I have faith in the community.
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This is a game for Epic to win and Valve to lose. In this scenario the guy doing the chasing will have the better chance of success vs the guy that can only react to his opponent. Valve either need to start making moves or lose inch by inch.

A new normal is coming to PC gaming. Lets see if competition really works in the customers favor.
 
MMBosstones86

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So, to combat exclusivity, Epic is making their own game store and then packing it with exclusives......?

They're claiming to solve a problem they themselves are helping to create?
 
ussjtrunks

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The way Epic are going all the interesting games wont be on steam for a year, I really wanted to play control too but thats not happening now.
 
yuraya

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I still don't think Valve cares honestly. All these games are timed exclusives. They'll be on steam in 1 year and Epic is practically marketing these games for their eventual steam release too.

If these games sell well on Steam later then Epic looks like fools. If they flop on Steam later then devs are gonna be upset they took the deal.

Its a shitshow but I still don't see how it really hurts Steam longterm. The only ones hurting in all this is devs who could potentially lose out on a lot of money with Steam.
 
Alexandros

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Igniz12 said:
A new normal is coming to PC gaming. Lets see if competition really works in the customers favor.
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PC gamers over the years have had to deal with a lot bigger problems than a few games being moneyhatted for a year, so I believe that this new normal will come and go as other phases did. In the end Epic will have to provide actually good service to customers. They won't be able to moneyhat games forever.
 
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yuraya said:
Its a shitshow but I still don't see how it really hurts Steam longterm. The only ones hurting in all this is devs who could potentially lose out on a lot of money with Steam.
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I agree. I look at all these people taking the moneybags and think 'you should know better. You're doing a disservice to what makes PC gaming great.' I've been gaming on PC since the 90's, and what Epic is doing seems like a coup against everything it has been up to this point in terms of freedom and availability. There were signs though . . . when modding on certain titles like the Battlefield series became impossible, I began to take notice. I do think the purchasing public is going to stand up though, at least I hope they do. I have no problem not shopping at Walmart or using Uber because of their business practices, I have no problems adding Epic to that list.
 
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yuraya said:
I still don't think Valve cares honestly. All these games are timed exclusives. They'll be on steam in 1 year and Epic is practically marketing these games for their eventual steam release too.

If these games sell well on Steam later then Epic looks like fools. If they flop on Steam later then devs are gonna be upset they took the deal.

Its a shitshow but I still don't see how it really hurts Steam longterm. The only ones hurting in all this is devs who could potentially lose out on a lot of money with Steam.
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I can see this crap hurting Steam for the simple reason that it will end up hurting the industry as a whole.

Developers and publishers are turning their customers against themselves, people are waiting a year to purchase the game they want, therefore reinforcing the idea of "yeah better wait instead of purchasing the game at launch" that so many developers were speaking out against, piracy will most certainly rise, not that much but it will.

And on top of that, for every smaller studio that's signing these deals, when all the money they got from Epic will be gone, a big chunk of their potential customers alienated and their most recent game will have likely sold quite poorly on the EGS, I feel that getting publishers to finance their new game will be harder. In a few years many people will be regretting these deals, I think.

Not Take Two or Ubisoft though.
 
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Alexandros said:
PC gamers over the years have had to deal with a lot bigger problems than a few games being moneyhatted for a year, so I believe that this new normal will come and go as other phases did. In the end Epic will have to provide actually good service to customers. They won't be able to moneyhat games forever.
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That is what I am hoping out of all this. It is the best case scenario for all involved, games to just come out and not be exclusive and have each store duke it out for customers.
 

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Alexandros said:
PC gamers over the years have had to deal with a lot bigger problems than a few games being moneyhatted for a year, so I believe that this new normal will come and go as other phases did. In the end Epic will have to provide actually good service to customers. They won't be able to moneyhat games forever.
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No they won't.

Fuck, maybe one day EGS will be an equal to steam and we'll have an another choice among many.

Today isn't it.

The humble bundle thing is nice. Lets see how it works out. Nothing else has changed though.

We survived the DRM/piracy crisis of 2006-2010, we'll make it through this just fine.
 
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yuraya said:
I still don't think Valve cares honestly. All these games are timed exclusives. They'll be on steam in 1 year and Epic is practically marketing these games for their eventual steam release too.

If these games sell well on Steam later then Epic looks like fools. If they flop on Steam later then devs are gonna be upset they took the deal.

Its a shitshow but I still don't see how it really hurts Steam longterm. The only ones hurting in all this is devs who could potentially lose out on a lot of money with Steam.
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I'm pretty sure Valve cares about millions of copies of high profile games being sold elsewhere. Every company ultimately cares about money and that's a lot of dollars that would have landed in Valves hands otherwise.
They would be really dumb if they wouldn't care.

People who bought Metro on EGS won't buy the same game on Steam in a year. Same goes for Borderlands 3, Outer Worlds, Control, future Ubisoft titles and everything else.
 
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Veidt said:
The cut was never 30% for big publishers on Steam, that was basically an open secret in the industry.
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Nah, it's always been 30% across the board. It was actually the Sega/THQ lawsuit over Company of Heroes 2 pre-purchase revenue that propelled the 70/30 split into public knowledge as the maths aligned with the figures mentioned in the court documents.
 
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yuraya said:
I still don't think Valve cares honestly. All these games are timed exclusives. They'll be on steam in 1 year and Epic is practically marketing these games for their eventual steam release too.

If these games sell well on Steam later then Epic looks like fools. If they flop on Steam later then devs are gonna be upset they took the deal.

Its a shitshow but I still don't see how it really hurts Steam longterm. The only ones hurting in all this is devs who could potentially lose out on a lot of money with Steam.
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I think not caring would be shortsighted for them though, by attracting new customers Epic can potentially sell them new stuff in the future, getting them invested in the EGS ecosystem like people (such as us in this thread) are currently invested in the Steam ecosystem, with Fortnite EGS also has the eyes of younger users on their store (at least those that play on PC), users that one day will grow up and have money to spend potentially on their store if they're already invested in the ecosystem. They cannot convert everyone to buy their games but some inevitably will.
There's much more here going on than simply getting revenue from those exclusive, it's about getting people attached to the EGS so they purchase more games there.
EGS could even start to give out skins for Fortnite for puchases of games, getting more users invested in the system.

Well at least those are my 2 cents, if I were Valve I would definitely care.

edit: typing from the phone sucks.
 
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