"Which Epic are the only people to do in the industry" so a company has never removed a game from a launcher before Epic came into the picture?
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[PC Gamer] Rocket League is getting review bombed because Epic bought Psyonix; Shows Steam Anti-review Bomb system is working (see staff post)
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gamers rise up amirite
Again, you're fine with protest unless if it's not within your acceptable bounds.
That's not socialism, mate.
The exact arguments were used against protests of pretty much every form and it's chilling.
You don't like it, fine. It's still legitimate whether you like it or not. Also it's libel, not slander.
I usually am in favour of review bombing as a means of protest but i do not think they have a case here since the game will continue to be supported and probably sold on Steam.
Really good of Steam to finally implement a review bombing shield. I'm all for protesting, but imo this is a childish practice that destroys the credibility of all user reviews. (Try looking for which Brie Larson movie to watch for instance.) Here's hoping they can sell the tech to other websites like IMDb.
Haha oh wow.
Not many. How is that relevant ? People have no other ways to be heard.
Ah yes, I'm being heard right now. Remember when the press picked my posts here to make articles around it ?
Oh wait, it never happened. But it did for review bombing.
So maybe review bombing is working as intended here...
Also, that's fuckin IRONIC. You claim someone is misrepresenting your views yet you misrepresent my.words. I never said the developpers were cowards. I said people such as you are cowards. Because they always side with the big corporations. Because it's an industry where we prefer to protect the product rather than the people.
Just a question for you again:
How would you feel if Mortal Kombat 11 was review bombed because of crunching ?
Let's be real: The most effective way to be heard is on the product page. Because what publishers fears the most is bad advertisment.
A post on reddit, era, twitter or an email has ZERO weight and is litterally a "I cant hear you".
Heck, this thread is a fuckin proof of that.
Socialism isn't even a system based on competition, it's based on co-operation. Capitalism is competition, and we're seeing it to a tea.
Maybe I'm wrong. But do you have an exemple in the gaming industry of a company removing games from another platform after they bought the developper ?
EA didnt. Microsoft didnt. Valve didnt. Nintendo didnt.
What other case of earnest protest involves the deliberate spread of misinformation?
Because every form of protest I can think of that intentionally spreads misinformation has been for something bad, like parents protesting vaccinations or flat-earth protests. When you sink to that level, that's the company you're keeping. It's not a good look.
But good for you, you know the difference between libel and slander, as if that takes away from the point the other poster was making.
Okay, are we now comparing people review bombing to anti-vaxers and flatearthers? If you're trolling, well done good sir.
Far away, in a mail that'll end up in the trash can or a single tweet lost in many.
It is relevant, because it doesn't make sense when people enjoyed the game for hundreds of hours and then negatively reviewed the game after they had their fill.
How is that morally even coherent?
The negative reviews just mentions one point, game sold to EGS. Is that even good review by any standards?
i'm not going to respond to your really weak attempt to troll. come back when you want to actually debate the merits of the argument
no, it's not working. you've lost. platforms have decided to remove or filter fake reviews. they've only made articles about it to point out how juvenile it is
yes, you absolutely did. you said the gaming industry is an industry of cowards. you weren't talking about people on a forum. you were talking about the industry. that is the developers.
alright, trolling and personal attacks. yes, you're really the mature ones
that's not review bombing. leaving a negative review on a game because you didn't like the game or didn't like parts of the game is just called reviewing the game. what we're talking about is leaving fake reviews unrelated to the quality of the creation, but as an attempt to "protest" the publisher making other decisions they don't like.
I assume you're talking about the modern era, where we have digital storefronts, rather than the pre-digital era where they would just let the game go out of print. I'll do some research on it when my VPN starts working again.
It's not a review. It's a review bombing.
Btw, games can evolve. Especially GaaS. A game.you enjoyed for 400 hours can become shit.
I can't think of examples done aside from licenses expiring, massive copyright infringement, or other legal reasons.
you do a bigger disservice to everyone involved by just declaring its just devs who represent the industry
also, explain why reacting to MK11 crunch is not review bombing?
ultimately, the creatives and the developers are the backbone of the industry and i have zero shame about making that point
oh no, people get to express their distaste on irrelevant reviews. The media is falling right in line with the pubs, who would love to limit the voice of consumers.
The fact steam had to implement an anti-review bomb system should say all that needs to be said about review bombing yet here we are and people defending it.
Review Bombing is the system of manbabies upset they don't get their way. Look at the game Atlas. Its launch was officially delayed a few days to hammer out major server issues. So what Happened? The manbabies ran and review bombed about how horrible it is. Anytime something happens these days that upsets the children its mass review bombs!!!!!!
if you have a problem with Epic there are plenty of email addresses, phone numbers and physical addresses you can express you anger at.
Review Bombing is the system of manbabies upset they don't get their way. Look at the game Atlas. Its launch was officially delayed a few days to hammer out major server issues. So what Happened? The manbabies ran and review bombed about how horrible it is. Anytime something happens these days that upsets the children its mass review bombs!!!!!!
if you have a problem with Epic there are plenty of email addresses, phone numbers and physical addresses you can express you anger at.
I'm not the one gatekeeping what legitimate protest is, or the routes to do so.
You're not the arbiter of what is acceptable protest. Thank fuck people like you aren't.
Understandable. I don't see the problem here. Customer sends a message in the only manner that gets attention and Valve's anti review bombing system is proven once again to be working properly. Exactly how things should be.
Just 3 or so years ago, Tim Sweeney was widely hailed as an altrustic defender of PC gaming openness while he carried out his crusade against what he imagined as Microsoft's future plans to turn the PC into a 'walled garden' and deprecate Win32.
At that time, I thought he was seriously misguided. It did look like I was in the minority.
Many consider it a toxic, unhelpful and unfair thing to do. Clearly, Valve also concurs with that point of view. Spitefully diminishing the value of a body of work done for stuff not related to the quality of the game is not right.
There are other avenues to express grievances.
People have had success with Twitter in the past. And the backlash to EA's battlefront 2 had a very large push from Reddit.
Was it review bombing that made EA retool the MTX in BF2?
An industry isnt only about the people working here but also the industry as a whole: How it works, how people behave in here, publishers, developers, customers.
But then again, it's easier to pretend to I said something I didnt. Heck nothing in my sentence points to developers on that. It doesnt even make sense to call them cowards in the context of my post. You're just making shit up because you're running out of arguments.
And yes, people who defend a product over customers or developers are cowards. Afraid that their favorite toy is being insulted.
Also it's funny you claim review bombing MK11 over crunching wouldn't be review bombed. The game seems great and has high production values. Is it a bad game ? No.
But it's legitimate to protest around the conditions it is made... Or sold. :)
I provided arguments, you provided lies. Now go back pretending you care about devs or customers when you only care about publishers getting another billion of dollars.
Atlas was (And actually it is) a buggy, unplayable game..just like Ark for reference...so what are you talking about? If a game is shit and deserve a negative review doesn't mean it's being review bombed
They were review bombing it before it even released because they dared miss the launch date.
They first said they're going to be removed it. And their clarifications didn't really help much:
First their announcement says they're moving Rocket League to EGS.
Then Epic clarifies that they haven't announced plans to remove and game will continue to be supported on Steam for those who own it.
And announcement is edited with: "Editor's Note: We wanted to clarify something for you after today's news: Rocket League is and remains available on Steam. Anyone who owns Rocket League through Steam can still play it and can look forward to continued support. Thanks!"
"Rocket League is and remains available on Steam."
Simple, it's not removed yet.
"Anyone who owns Rocket League through Steam can still play it and can look forward to continued support"
Will be supported on Steam for those who owns it.
It's not very convincing. Especially with Epic's previous lies/misleading on situations like this.
Can't really blame anyone reading in way it will be removed from Steam. Especially if they didn't read about clarifications.
Suck it up and stay silent. Vote with your wallet.
So somehow not being able to play game, you paid for, is not reason to negatively rate game?
What is then?
I'm seriously holding myself at laughing at the idea that, sending an email will sove things. :"""""""")
It's the equivalent of a box of idea:
"put your ideas or complaints in that box".
Will you read it ?
"Why would I ?"
The fact that Steam.implemented an anti review bombing system proves the system works. Because it annoyed publishers to the point they're affraid of it.
Sorry if people paying money dont want to get screwed. I'm.sure if there was no review bombing, Arkham Knight would've been fixed ... In an alternate universe.
But hey, gotta protect my big corporation friend !
An Early Access Game that needs an extra day to ensure its servers don't implode is not the end of the world
On the way (edit: negative reviewers)
- Encouraging herd mentality
- Spread misinformation
- Overwrite or/and spam a negative review entry in the activity list among friends on Steam
I myself do not like EGS at its current state and other reasons, but negative reviews..correction.. review bombing for a game like Rockey League at this time is just people wanting to have do something for the sake of just doing it without understanding what they did or what they are doing.
Well those people bought the game, and expected it to launch when they were told it was going to.......
You can't review a game that's not yet released, again I think you are a bit confused. The launch of the game was a mess, period. (Even now it's not that better so...)
You can filter and see all the review of the 22nd December 2018 (Official Day 1 of the EA) and they are all but pointless, they all describe a game that's bad, simple as hell
https://store.steampowered.com/app/834910/ATLAS/
Female username. Female profile picture. Listed as female on the site. Call me a sir anyway. Okay, troll.
If you're ready to take money for product that is not preorder, should be playable. If you're not ready to launch, then maybe don't.
It may not be end of the world, but isn't probably good first impression.
ah sorry, i have avatars disabled. my point still stands though.
I can personally kind of accept review bombing if the tool is available. However, to be really effective it needs to be used when there is some confirmation that current owners are getting a worse product. Feel free to correct me but even if Rocket League ends up being pulled from Stream for new purchases, it'll remain the same for current owners, right? If stuff like witholding / delaying patches to Steam or similair stuff happened I'd be a lot more understanding, but currently we don't even know if anything will change ahead of the eventual Rocket League 2.
sadly, i've realized there's no point arguing with people that think spreading mistruths and calling it protest is the same as protesting to expose and spread truths. some people in this thread would rather troll based on unrelated political views ("you're a socialist but don't think we should tell lies about games?!?!") or get into personal insults and that's a really childish approach. although, funny enough, the legalistic definition of libel and slander doesn't mean slander doesn't also mean "to make false statements about" something, which definitely applies to review bombing. arguments like "how can you gatekeep forms of protest" are really silly when everyone gatekeeps forms of protest. no one believes absolutely everything is an acceptable form of protest. by the logic of some, it would be acceptable to hack and install viruses on Epic's developers computers because hey, it's a form of protest that will get attention, and how dare you gatekeep what is or isn't a legitimate method of protest.
unfortunately, there is a viewpoint that this is somehow a noble struggle for justice and that games are just products meant to be consumed rather than works of art created by passionate, creative people. i think that's sad, but there's no point engaging with people who are deliberately trolling and baiting anymore. i'm just glad i respect creative work and creation, sorry that other people don't think it's worth respecting.
How stupid.
Never understand review bombing or not playing a game just because it's on a client other than Steam.
Never understand review bombing or not playing a game just because it's on a client other than Steam.
There's just as many people licking Epic's boots as licking Valve's. Don't kid yourself.
No it doesn't. You didn't even make a point. You just called me a troll. If you don't want to reply to me you don't have to, but it's a waste of both of our times for you to be that dishonest.
its a pretty small backlash (2k reviews out of 200k) but I imagine once they actually announce their plans, this is going to pale in comparision. (and i don't have high hopes for epics approach, given their history)
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