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Ferrio

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Oct 25, 2017
18,071
I don't think the excuse that "VR is hard to explain in writing" is really valid. Everyone knows what VR is and understands how it works. Hell, everyone understood it in the 80s. It being such a hard sell isn't a lack of understanding. It's a lack of appeal.

I disagree, I own a Vive. Beforehand I thought that motion controls were crap and the only games that even remotely needed VR were cockpit games. Then I got a Vive, and realized that room tracking and motion controls were the missing component. Now I think Cockpit games are some of the more boring experiences. So even as someone who was totally for VR I didn't get it yet, now I do.
 

TemplaerDude

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,204
I've yet to see that killer, must have app or game. It's hoinky toinky tech demos or console games with huge control caveats.
 

MrKlaw

Member
Oct 25, 2017
33,059
Superhot VR, Skyrim VR, resident evil 7, farpoint, robot recall (oculus rift) are all great VR games
 

afrodubs

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,093
It's quite simple - Dust. I don't want dust on the headset, and especially on the lens, and I don't like any of the enclosed cases I've seen.

Also, the white box PSVR comes in, isn't covered in garish marketing like most console boxes.
It's easy-open lid means I can still be ready for VR gaming almost instantly.
Never had a dust problem, since launch, but fair enough I get it if you have dust problems. There's probably a cover that you could get and still have it on a stand tho.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Never had a dust problem, since launch, but fair enough I get it if you have dust problems. There's probably a cover that you could get and still have it on a stand tho.
Yeah, my place gets quite dusty. I also have a cat, so cat hair is another problem.

The box also fits my two moves. The rubber on the end really grabs hold of dust.
I'm quite happy with using the box.
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Some of the stands look quite cool though. I'd like to be able to make use of them.
 

hibikase

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
6,820
Yeah I also keep my PSVR in its white box, it's great!

A stand would only invite dust.
 

MegaBeefBowl

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Oct 31, 2017
1,890
It doesn't help that all the early VR software involved shooting guns or messing around with objects in a sandbox. It got old really fast, and I think that's why the majority of readers stopped caring about VR.

Sure, there have been better experiences since launch, but to the normal consumer of gaming media who does not own VR, all they probably see and expect are shooting galleries.

The software feels so limited for a technology that feels so limitless.
 
Oct 25, 2017
11,705
United Kingdom
I've yet to see that killer, must have app or game. It's hoinky toinky tech demos or console games with huge control caveats.

I never get the "I'm waiting for that one killer app" thing. Why do people need just one game to make a purchase? when there are multiple VR games well worth playing.

RE7, SuperHOT VR, Robot Recall, Skyrim VR, Fallout 4 VR, Fantastic Contraption, Raw Data, Apex Construct, Knockout League, Moss, Sprint Vector, Lone Echo, Doom VFR, Job Simulator, Shooty Fruity......

No system is defined by one mythical "killer app" it either has a ton of great games or it doesn't and VR's library of very fun and great games is growing every month.
 
Oct 27, 2017
536
I love how klepek or vice write about all ramdom Things and talking about vr is now a waste of Time, sure dude.sure

And lol to. People who said there are not interesting releases on vr when moss its one of the best games of early 2018

Sometimes i wish Nintendo was the creator of some. Vr console to see. How the double standars will Apply to this tech

You may want to sit down for this:

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HyGogg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,495
I'm not impressed with VR personally. Even VR porn does nothing for me.
VR porn is garbage, and not even VR, it's just 360 videos for the most part.

Can I ask, have you actually tried real 6DOF VR with hand tracking?

I love my Oculus Rift, though admittedly I haven't had the free time at home to play it much lately, and Switch has been getting my gaming time since I can play wherever. VR's biggest strength and weakness is that it consumes all of your attention and focus, which requires dedicated time and physical space.
 

HyGogg

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,495
I've yet to see that killer, must have app or game. It's hoinky toinky tech demos or console games with huge control caveats.
The killer app is Lone Echo/Echo Arena. Plain and simple. No one paid attention to it because all of like 10 sites reviewed it, but that game is fucking magic. It was a legit GOTY contender.
 

Kevers

The Fallen
Oct 29, 2017
14,568
Syracuse, NY
I've used VR a number of times while visiting a friend and I still have no real interest in VR. It's fun to fuck around in but I could never see myself investing or sitting there and playing any game in VR for anything longer than 30 minutes.
 

ShinUltramanJ

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Oct 27, 2017
12,949
The killer app is Lone Echo/Echo Arena. Plain and simple. No one paid attention to it because all of like 10 sites reviewed it, but that game is fucking magic. It was a legit GOTY contender.

Much like indie PC games, you're not going to find the big name sites covering these games. They mainly cover AAA titles.
 

apocat

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Oct 27, 2017
10,058
So is VR pretty much done now? I haven't really been following.
Depending on who you ask it's a silly gimmicky fad or the future of gaming. Or possibly something in between.

No matter who might be right there are quite a few cool games released, and I'm personally having a really good time with them. Try them for yourself and see what you think!
 

Popetita

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
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TX|PR
So it seems not even VR can be saved of the fate of the "gimmicks". At the end of the day it is anoether great idea that doesn't get proper backing or innovation because devs would rather chase the quick/safe buck.
 

TemplaerDude

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,204
I never get the "I'm waiting for that one killer app" thing. Why do people need just one game to make a purchase? when there are multiple VR games well worth playing.

RE7, SuperHOT VR, Robot Recall, Skyrim VR, Fallout 4 VR, Fantastic Contraption, Raw Data, Apex Construct, Knockout League, Moss, Sprint Vector, Lone Echo, Doom VFR, Job Simulator, Shooty Fruity......

No system is defined by one mythical "killer app" it either has a ton of great games or it doesn't and VR's library of very fun and great games is growing every month.

Because it's a new technology and the general public isn't going to give a toss about it until there's the "wow" factor. This isn't a new Xbox or Playstation with track records.
 

Captain of Outer Space

Come Sale Away With Me
Member
Oct 28, 2017
11,349
It's why I like making Youtube videos of PSVR games because it's an easier way to get what those games and how they work than just writing up a review. I also typically don't go to the general gaming sites to find out information on them, so that leads to them seeing fewer hits compared to normal games.
 

BriGuy

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,275
Kind of mirrors my own experience with PSVR really. It sat in its box for over a year after I finished Batman (or rather was finished with Batman; properly calibrating that game was impossible for me. I was supposed to rejigger something on the Bat computer about 10 minutes into the game and it just would not cooperate with me, so I quit). I only dug it out again for Moss. I wouldn't buy a PSVR for Moss alone, but it's easily the best thing I've played on it so far.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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So many hot takes about VR in this thread mostly from people who don't own or have ever tried a highend VR headset.

Oh well, that's the way things are for now I guess, it's still very new tech so lots of ignorance about it isn't really surprising. IMO VR isn't gonna go anywhere but up. People comparing it to 3D TVs are ridiculous lol.
 

Dizagaox

Banned
Feb 26, 2018
1,076
London
I understand Patrick's point, but there are always articles and videos that won't attract audience - you still write them for the 10 people that'll read the article. That's just part of being a journalist.
 

Deleted member 27315

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Oct 30, 2017
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Kind of mirrors my own experience with PSVR really. It sat in its box for over a year after I finished Batman (or rather was finished with Batman; properly calibrating that game was impossible for me. I was supposed to rejigger something on the Bat computer about 10 minutes into the game and it just would not cooperate with me, so I quit). I only dug it out again for Moss. I wouldn't buy a PSVR for Moss alone, but it's easily the best thing I've played on it so far.

I love games like Moss but big-good games that are both in VR and 2D can demonstrate directly how huge is the difference.

RE7 VR and Dirt VR are just night and day compared to 2D versions.
Imo they are unplayable now in 2D mode.

I hope that foveated rendering will help to have more big AAA ''2D'' games in VR in the future..
 

PixelBastard

Banned
Jan 7, 2018
232
It needs much better resolution and better visuals in general. The PSVR as comfortable as it is, it needs to be alot lighter and less sweat inducing. I think light, wireless headsets will be a game changer.
 

cakefoo

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,407
Things VR fans have learned:
  • Skimming general gaming news sites for VR coverage is a giant waste of time.
  • Starting new threads for PCVR games/news on a general gaming discussion board like ResetEra is a giant waste of time.
  • Visiting Reddit (r/vive, r/oculus, r/steamvr), Road to VR, Upload VR, and the Steam new releases page are a much better use of time
  • In general, trying to have a conversation about VR with someone who doesn't care about VR is a waste of time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,844
Kind of mirrors my own experience with PSVR really. It sat in its box for over a year after I finished Batman (or rather was finished with Batman; properly calibrating that game was impossible for me. I was supposed to rejigger something on the Bat computer about 10 minutes into the game and it just would not cooperate with me, so I quit). I only dug it out again for Moss. I wouldn't buy a PSVR for Moss alone, but it's easily the best thing I've played on it so far.
The PSVR OT in hangouts has lots of tips that could help with your tracking issues.
 

KratosEnergyDrink

Using an alt account to circumvent a ban
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,523
I understand Patrick's point, but there are always articles and videos that won't attract audience - you still write them for the 10 people that'll read the article. That's just part of being a journalist.

Part of beeing a political journalist, but an entertainment journalist don't need to constantly write about gamesgam one cares about. VR has only a very niche audience and that will not change in the next ten years, unless the VR technology makes a very big jump suddenly.
 

Karasseram

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Jan 15, 2018
1,358
Well personally I have no place where I can even try VR to see if I get sick or it's even worth the hefty price tag which I doubt it is looking at how little I hear about VR games. It's just one of those technologies like 3d in tv that will die off and come back and die off again I guess. So it's no surprise to me it's a waste of resources to cover VR stuff.

Also I noticed I turned off the 3d on the 3ds pretty fast same as most people I know and I only go on 3d showings of movies cause they have no 2d showings with dolby atmos. Is 3d one of those things that will always look cooler on paper than it is in actual practise?
 
Feb 10, 2018
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VR's time will come.
Once it becomes more accessible and pleasant (in every possible way).

Plus VR is gonna get better and better

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afrodubs

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Oct 27, 2017
2,093
The PSVR OT in hangouts has lots of tips that could help with your tracking issues.
Really all of those tips (and some other topics) would be better as sticky threads in a VR subforum. Yea the sub might be quiet for a while but then that means low maintenance anyway. At least it would be a good way to get info on VR gaming, and get a feel for the community feeling in relation to the rest of this forum.
Things VR fans have learned:
  • Skimming general gaming news sites for VR coverage is a giant waste of time.
  • Starting new threads for PCVR games/news on a general gaming discussion board like ResetEra is a giant waste of time.
  • Visiting Reddit (r/vive, r/oculus, r/steamvr), Road to VR, Upload VR, and the Steam new releases page are a much better use of time
  • In general, trying to have a conversation about VR with someone who doesn't care about VR is a waste of time.
Agreed but add r/PSVR and VRfocus to that list.

A mod pulled me up for suggesting posters go elsewhere (and giving some suggestions) for VR news, what are we to do? At present here VR is close to dead, a subforum would help foster a small community on here imo, but that's down to the people running this forum and what their aims are.

Its cool tho, Resetera don't need to cater to VR. Just don't complain when people mention there are better sites that you can go to to get your VR info and news.
 
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Dwebble

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,626
There is nothing more off-putting than an evangelist, guys. Maybe you'd have better results if you didn't jump down the throats of everyone who isn't a true believer?
 

apessino

Ready at Dawn
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
34
Irvine, CA
Well... Moss has been reviewed/covered by most mainstream sites, and deservedly so. They got way more coverage than we got with the Echo games (not complaining, just stating the obvious). I am sure that being on PSVR helps, given the installed base, but I'd like to think that things are also just getting better. Some day not too far into the future it'll make sense financially and artistically for the press at large to cover VR games. Hopefully soon... :)
 

gozu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,334
America
After using a headset and motion controls for a year I was in Klepek's situation, minus the spiders since I use it for movies. There is no doubt that a great game can be made that works with current tech and I'm interested in playing Moss if it comes to PC.

I've found out so far is that:

-I hate wires in VR.
-I want headsets to be lighter
-And have significantly higher rez. Like 4K x 4K for each eye. It would require ~90 TFlops to render those 32 megapixels.

90 TFs costs $6,000 in 2018 .
GPUs double in speed roughly every 40 months (3 years and 4 months), Comparing 780ti to 1080ti (https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2512/geforce-gtx-780-ti)

40 months gets us down to $3000, 80 months gets us $1500, 120 months gets us $750. In the early 2030s, we'll be at the $200-$500 mark and we can have PC and PS7 VR games that look and sound almost indistinguishable from reality if you have bad hearing and bad eyesight.

Foveated rendering could cut this timeframe by 5 years or more, but who knows when eye-tracking speed will be good enough at the necessary price point. Eye movement can be super fast.

This should be a big moment with a lot of hype and the beginning of mass adoption.It will depend on the sophistication of the headset and hand tracking/feedback. The interface comfort and intuitiveness will need to be fabulously good for most people to tolerate it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Well... Moss has been reviewed/covered by most mainstream sites, and deservedly so. They got way more coverage than we got with the Echo games (not complaining, just stating the obvious). I am sure that being on PSVR helps, given the installed base, but I'd like to think that things are also just getting better. Some day not too far into the future it'll make sense financially and artistically for the press at large to cover VR games. Hopefully soon... :)

I can agree with this. It is also opportunity for some of the VR only sites to step up their content quality and take advantage of the situation.

Just how sites like Operation Sports rose up in the very early 2000's all throughout the PS2/3 era to now, and is basically the 'go to' place for sports game coverage from developers and even athletes, not just hardcore sports gamers. Mainstream sites were lackluster with their coverage in comparison, on the sports gaming genre.

P.S. Looking forward to hearing details about your next AAA TPS project when the time is right.
 

Hailinel

Shamed a mod for a tag
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Oct 27, 2017
35,527
I won't have interest in VR until I can be assured that there's a headset out there with the ability to support eyesight that's as shit as mine. The one time I tried a headset at a PAX demo, I couldn't get a perfectly clear picture even at maximum focus.
 

apessino

Ready at Dawn
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
34
Irvine, CA
I can agree with this. It is also opportunity for some of the VR only sites to step up their content quality and take advantage of the situation.

Just how sites like Operation Sports rose up in the very early 2000's all throughout the PS2/3 era to now, and is basically the 'go to' place for sports game coverage from developers and even athletes, not just hardcore sports gamers. Mainstream sites were lackluster with their coverage in comparison, on the sports gaming genre.

P.S. Looking forward to hearing details about your next AAA TPS project when the time is right.

Thank you! :)
 

xir

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,574
Los Angeles, CA
sorry for the bump, but realized that Edge magazine always has VR reviews and their GOTY section had VR spotlights. There's some good stuff about escaping the CPM/SEO echo chamber with print. you might see stuff you aren't normally exposed to

#printsnotdead

also i consider my monthly edge purchase to be a sort of patreon pledge
 

srtrestre

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,970
Oh lol I remember this thread.

Also yeah, one year later, I still filter out VR articles whenever possible.