Japan - 30 Weeks
South Korea - 15 Weeks
Spain - 12 Weeks
Sweden - 11 Weeks
Iceland - 9 Weeks
Canada - 5-8 Weeks
Mexico - 1 Week
Australia - 0.9 Weeks
UK - 0.4 Weeks
USA - 0 weeks
Yo America when you gonna start that revolution.
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Paternity leave: Unicef lists most generous countries.
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Problem is only 5% of men who have it are taking it though in Japan.
that's what i thought with the insane work culture they have over there.
Yep. Just recently though a politician took it. Supposedly to bring more awareness of the need to do so and hope more men will use it. Something along those lines.
This is a bit more complicated. In Sweden we have 480 days to share between the father and the mother. That's 68 weeks. Right now my SO uses 5 paid days per week so in the end we will have 90+ weeks at home with the baby. And of course you can decide if you want to share 50/50 or if someone might take more time than the other.
Similar here in Germany.
That is why I am wondering why Germany isnt even listed.
Maybe because it's parental leave and can be used by either parent?
Prospective US dads rise up.
A lot of European countries have pretty low amounts of paternity leave as well, but since you get a mandated ~20 days of paid time off each year it isn't as big a deal as a country where you don't even have that.
A lot of European countries have pretty low amounts of paternity leave as well, but since you get a mandated ~20 days of paid time off each year it isn't as big a deal as a country where you don't even have that.
It's not. Germany is tied at rank 6 with Denmark.
edit: See list above.
Why isn't Denmark on that list? Oh, is it only mandatory paternity leave?
A Danish father gets 2 weeks mandatory paternity leave at full pay and an optional 32 week paternity leave at 90% pay. This can be extended for 8 weeks more but at a further reduction in pay.
I daresay we "win" :-D
A Danish father gets 2 weeks mandatory paternity leave at full pay and an optional 32 week paternity leave at 90% pay. This can be extended for 8 weeks more but at a further reduction in pay.
I daresay we "win" :-D
Probably bc we don't have paternity leave by that strict definition.
Mothers get 8 guaranteed weeks "Mutterschutz", there's no law that specifically applies to fathers.
We had a daughter in Dec 19 and are doing the 12+2 model. One parent gets 12 months, the other gets 2.
It's all gender neutral and many options are available.
You can just do 12m total and split it either way between parents. You can do 24months part time work at a reduced rate etc.
That said, yeah Germany belongs on that list.
EDIT: seems like we are on there after all.
Article states United Kingdom – 0.4 weeks FTE (2 weeks total). OP lists the FTE amount.
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Not sure what it will take to see change in America. Labour rights seem low on the agenda.
Like 5% of Japanese workers exercise their paternity rights. From those that do, many face alienation, discrimination and bullying upon return to work.
Pretty head scratching that they do not add countries where the total parental leave is shared but there is a minimum amount of time that each one should spend, like is the case in Sweden and Germany.
Iirc, Spain had (well it just improved this year and the next) one of the worst paternal leaves in Europe and we are just barely getting to the general European standard now.
Iirc, Spain had (well it just improved this year and the next) one of the worst paternal leaves in Europe and we are just barely getting to the general European standard now.
The numbers for Spain has drastically changed since then, with paternal leave being 12 weeks starting this year and 16 weeks starting next year (the same amount of time for women).This is only the list for fathers.
This is the full list:
Why does paid leave for fathers only say 1 week for Denmark? That seems super wrong, considering I work with several new fathers who've taken many weeks of paid paternety leave...
Canada has up to what.. 61 weeks of shared parental leave right now (at 33% pay via employment insurance). Or standard shared 35 weeks at 55% pay.
Mothers get an extra 15 weeks of maternity leave for birthing purposes.
Fathers get an extra 5 standard or 8 extended but reduced pay weeks if they choose to take it. BUT TECHNICALLY THEY COULD TAKE THE FULL 41 or EXTENDED 69 WEEKS?
I think the chart being shown needs updating.
Employers of course may offer additional top up benefits. I don't get them though :(
Mothers get an extra 15 weeks of maternity leave for birthing purposes.
Fathers get an extra 5 standard or 8 extended but reduced pay weeks if they choose to take it. BUT TECHNICALLY THEY COULD TAKE THE FULL 41 or EXTENDED 69 WEEKS?
I think the chart being shown needs updating.
Employers of course may offer additional top up benefits. I don't get them though :(
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In a wonky way, I kinda like the US selfishness on this one because it deters people from having kids lol
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Paternity leave is only accessible to employees (not, for example, people who are self-employed or contractors) and is paid at a rate of either £149 (about $195) a week or 90% of the employee's average weekly pay, whichever is lowest, for a maximum of two weeks. Leave, which cannot be split up, can be taken between the birth of the child and up to 56 days later. Up to 18 weeks of parental leave is available to fathers and mothers up to the child's 18th birthday, but it is unpaid and limited to four weeks per year.
Some people already explained how only 5% of Japanese fathers use their right, but I'll also pretty sure I read that among those 5% almost none of them actually use the 30 weeks, it's usually a few days at best.
A young politician the current government is desperately trying to make happen (Koizumi Shinjiro) has been very vocal about taking his parental leave... But then he revealed he would be "working at home about 15 days over the course of three month" IIRC, and everyone facepalmed.
Funnily enough, the last politician to try it before him was found unfaithful to his pregnant wife, which pretty much killed that topic for a few years lol
A young politician the current government is desperately trying to make happen (Koizumi Shinjiro) has been very vocal about taking his parental leave... But then he revealed he would be "working at home about 15 days over the course of three month" IIRC, and everyone facepalmed.
Funnily enough, the last politician to try it before him was found unfaithful to his pregnant wife, which pretty much killed that topic for a few years lol
Alternatively join a union like me and live like a king.
But seriously US labor let's stand up for ourselves here.
Couples aren't having children anymore either. Same for South Korea. The Korean Government is handing out all sorts of benefits and cash incentives to couples who have more kids. Still not making a dent.
The plan for the current Government of Spain is supposed to gradually up it to 16 weeks so it equates the maternal leave.
But this Government won't last long enough.
But this Government won't last long enough.
Wait, the States don't have that at all?
What are you supposed to do after the baby is born? Going back straight to work?
What are you supposed to do after the baby is born? Going back straight to work?
The degree has already passed and will happen in January 2021 (well it already happened in 2020 to 12 weeks), so unless there are elections and the right wins and decides to make it their first priority, its happening.
They should really have the parental/home care leave listed as a separate column in the figure Kyougar posted and show that next to the statutory paternal and maternal leaves, with counted full-rate equivalent.
Quick glance at the report I would take a stab at Norway having the most generous system, with 46 weeks parental leave at 100% ("10 weeks are for the mother and 10 weeks for the father. The remaining 26 weeks are a sharable family entitlement") - like most family leaves it is capped but Norway's cap lies at 9000 euros a month...source: p.18 https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_1_Parental_leave_systems.pdf
Quick glance at the report I would take a stab at Norway having the most generous system, with 46 weeks parental leave at 100% ("10 weeks are for the mother and 10 weeks for the father. The remaining 26 weeks are a sharable family entitlement") - like most family leaves it is capped but Norway's cap lies at 9000 euros a month...source: p.18 https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_1_Parental_leave_systems.pdf
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This is Paternity leave. Obviously we get maternity leave to various levels depending on the company, but there's no standard for the father.
Last I checked, I'd get a few weeks but it's not usually a thing. Maternity leave on the other hand is 10 weeks. 30 weeks is amazing.
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85 weeks!? Holy shit @ Estonia.
Fuckin hell the USA is embarrassing when it comes to this. Some companies offer it for sure but it's definitely not mandated. It's almost impossible to even imagine for the average American.
This is only the list for fathers.
This is the full list:
This is a much more important list because paternity leave without know how much is the maternity leave in the country is not showing the big picture.
The more equal the better
That's what bootstraps are for*.
I don't know what they do. . . but that's what they're for.
*This is actually a joke that wraps around itself in its own idiocy. The right-wing which drives all economic policy in America likes to use the phrase, "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps," to mean one should just try harder. But the actual phrase refers to a literal impossibility of traversing a fence by pulling at your bootstraps which does. . . nothing. I'm not kidding. The right (which when it comes to economic policy that's both parties these days) unironically uses a phrase signifying idiotic futility to motivate workers instead of enacting policy. Now, you were saying about maternity and paternity leave?
Estonia, France, Germany, Slovakia, SPain and Finland have parental leave until 3 years - but both are capped at % of salary or max. monthly salary (Estonia,max is set at 3000e/month). The fullcost equivalence is thus misleading (because it does not reveal cap) because it takes into account the % but not the cap.
Also US does not have 10 weeks statutory maternity leave, it has 0 - it has family leave but that is unpaid. This study is about the legal rights, and in the US there are no legal rights regarding paid leave for the parents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternity_leave_in_the_United_States
State level. " California, New Jersey, and Rhode Island for instance, operate programs that require private-sector employers to pay their employees who utilize maternity leave at partial replacement rates.[34] New York passed paid family leave legislation, which includes maternity leave, in 2016 — starting off at 8 weeks and 50% of pay in 2018, and reaching 12 weeks and 67% of pay in 2021.[35] " (Source: ibid)
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Sounds incredible. I'm guessing it's close to 50-60% of salary, but still. I don't know what I would do with so much time.