Thought this was a fascinating thread and, if corroborated, kinda scary. From back in November:
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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped By “Every Vendor” And Could End His Business
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Your points are valid, but I think we're in uncharted territory here... we haven't seen this particular circumstance in this particular socio-political climate before.
I don't know anything about the people who were bankrolling Parler, but I highly doubt they were doing it because they expected a return on their investment from ad revenue. It was an ideological thing.
I think it's entirely possible for a web-based social network to survive outside of the App Store ecosystem if it has the users and money, and particularly in this case where it would be seen as the last "safe space" by this group.
i mean, the most recent proof is parler and it doesn't seem to be going to well for them... gab is worse.
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The key difference is that, supposedly, Gab runs their own servers. (And less important but still relevant, seems to be designed and built much more competently).
If Parler had planned for this situation and been able to roll over to their own servers with no downtime, I think they'd be doing just fine.
I'm shocked (and yet, not at all surprised) that they didn't have a contingency plan for this.
Either way, I hope you're right I'm just being alarmist.
What is the difference between Gab and Parler? They seem very similar.
I think they're essentially the same thing and certainly cater to the same audience. Gab seems to be designed and built more competently, and there are some surface-level differences in functionality. I've never used Parler and only browsed what's open to the public on Gab so I can't claim to be an expert on either.
gab was a flash in the pan a few years ago
it was parler before parler
there isn't much of a difference
Gab operates off of its own servers, supposedly while Parler has operated from Amazon Web Services.
From what I understand, Parler is dependent on a mobile app, and therefore dependent on the Apple and Google online app stores; while Gab is fully browser-based and therefore immune to Apple and Google banning it.
Parler had major funding from the Mercers, not sure where Gab got its funding from.
wow missed this. i didn't realize they're a fork of mastodon
also kind of crazy that a decentralized platform has also distanced themselves - https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/
my experience with decentralized products is not great, but the little i have has never seemed to boast performance...
Browser only platforms can only take off so much. The dangerous thing about Parler was the accessibility the app stores gave it. Any expansion of crazy alt-right sites is concerning, though the potential for it to go mainstream isn't quite there.
***Profits from hatred***
"Haha, this is the best!"
***Loses the ability to profit from hatred***
"Oh no!"
"Haha, this is the best!"
***Loses the ability to profit from hatred***
"Oh no!"
The reality is that Trump and a significant number of other top level Republican office holders, officials, advisors, and donors are actually Russian assets themselves or compromised by Russian State actors.
Seriously.
Not surprised. What I am surprised about is the lack of investigative journalism in regards to high profile people like Giuliani and other Trump Co. moving about Russia and Eastern Europe without really batting an eye. All of this is so obviously nefarious yet there's no real drive to tackle it. The fourth estate keeps dropping the ball as theyre far more focused on the surface level stories that pull eyes easily and consistently.
It's so fucking obvious that it's absurd. I actually can't believe outlets like The Onion and SNL aren't parodying that more. I think the media became demoralized with that task after Trump installed sychophant Barr as AG to undermine the Mueller investigation.
So 2 days after this thread Rebekah mercer posted on parler saying her "and John (the public co-owner) started parler for blah blah" and she has been the primary investor since launch.
The mercers and Russia have any history?
Had to find out myself. Looks like it's from a show called Mr. Meaty
I kinda wish this service had been allowed to whither and die on its own rather than becoming a martyr.
I don't think a social network can be successful if it is entirely comprised of the chuds that were too dumb, antisocial, or obstinate to sidestep a Twitter ban. Most people can just create an alt-account with a dummy email -- the only purpose of a service like this is so that "famous" people with a following who get banned can keep their followers and prestige. Most of the far-right morons aren't going to have that much fun trapped in their own echo chamber. For them the appeal of Twitter is being able to harass, instigate, and argue. On a network comprised entirely of their ideological peers, they will quickly get bored.
I don't think a social network can be successful if it is entirely comprised of the chuds that were too dumb, antisocial, or obstinate to sidestep a Twitter ban. Most people can just create an alt-account with a dummy email -- the only purpose of a service like this is so that "famous" people with a following who get banned can keep their followers and prestige. Most of the far-right morons aren't going to have that much fun trapped in their own echo chamber. For them the appeal of Twitter is being able to harass, instigate, and argue. On a network comprised entirely of their ideological peers, they will quickly get bored.
Checking out on a whim what this gab thingymajigg is, I see this on the front page
Jesus christ I dont know how they are not melting away in all this heat they are in :P
Jesus christ I dont know how they are not melting away in all this heat they are in :P
jesus wtf. I really hope they all lose steam from the deplatforming that's taken place so far.
If it's true, they hit send to @everybody
anyway, no time to check the thread, but there's at least a full archive of posts now:
obviously some vile shit in there, remove the link if needed
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They also pulled a set of URLs that encompass every post and file ever made on the service. I'm helping download as much of it as possible before AWS pulls the plug - Archive Team will process it and get it up on archive.org as soon as they can.
Twilio stopped working cause they left, so there's is no verification system. Last 24 hours, a bunch of trolls were able to sign in too.
Parler's "final stand"
There are alot of theories out there. Even one where Russia has agents within the far right extremist groups who are feeding these fires of discontentment.
Probably gonna be a tough sell for all those services that don't like immigrantsOther services, when Trump fans want to migrate there:
Mercer founded Cambridge Analytica so there's that.
Plus this:
From 2017: Yachts of Trump financial backer, Russian oligarch seen close together
Editor’s note: This story was originally posted on March 14, 2017. It involves Cambridge Analytica part-owner Robert Mercer. The coincidences are
www.palmbeachpost.com
I want to believe that. But it's really hard not too right now.
But I thought there were so many vendors competing for your business, John?
Well I've been randomly clicking the parler dump for half an hour and already found some really scary people. Check out @Gaultier on parler for example. Talking about a "charlie hebdo" on Amazon HQ and saying 3 delivery drivers will die every day that Parler is down.
The fact that some of them have successfully migrated to Signal/Telegram is slightly disconcerting, not gonna lie.
