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Paradox's Tender Beta ARG - Vampires: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2, Stream Tonight (8:30 PM PST / 11:30 PM EST)
- Thread starter wwm0nkey
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Game is a top 100 for sure. If they do do a remake you should give it another go, might be the push you need.
Remember how you loved what you played of Bloodlines, but you put it down? Well, focus and keep going on it.
Era doesn't usually make topics on ARGs, but I thought it might be fun to draw some attention to this one.
Essentially they want you to join this "dating soul app": https://tenderbeta.com/
You make an account, answer some weird questions, then get "tasks" to complete to level up. Apparently something is happening on the 21st with this, but they're being coy.
They have been releasing some screenshots which definitely show this is related to some game though:
The site itself gives you a random username selection from what you answer, and then you browse the site under the name they give you.
Also as I'm playing around with the site right now, even when it says "all tasks completed" and you get to Level 2, continue exploring the site. There's more to do even once they say you're done.
To give a few examples of what the site asks of you:
I've seen some here express before they wish they knew about ARGs before they take off, well here's your chance. On-top of this, at least so far it doesn't seem like you need to know too much cryptic stuff to make progress in this one.
Essentially they want you to join this "dating soul app": https://tenderbeta.com/
You make an account, answer some weird questions, then get "tasks" to complete to level up. Apparently something is happening on the 21st with this, but they're being coy.
They have been releasing some screenshots which definitely show this is related to some game though:
The site itself gives you a random username selection from what you answer, and then you browse the site under the name they give you.
Also as I'm playing around with the site right now, even when it says "all tasks completed" and you get to Level 2, continue exploring the site. There's more to do even once they say you're done.
To give a few examples of what the site asks of you:
I've seen some here express before they wish they knew about ARGs before they take off, well here's your chance. On-top of this, at least so far it doesn't seem like you need to know too much cryptic stuff to make progress in this one.
The ARG is almost definitely for a new Vampire: The Masquerade game as there's stuff on the ARG that directly references stuff about Vampire: The Masquerade universe.
The "Tender" app literally displays blood type on the profiles.
LET ME IN, PARADOX
IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS
LET ME INNNNNNN
LET ME IN, PARADOX
IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS
LET ME INNNNNNN
Yeah, I thought about adding that, but I wanted to have people have some fun with it. I'll add it to the title as some may be interested in it due to the fact this almost definitely an ARG for a new Vampire: The Masquerade game.
That said, even knowing what it's likely about, there's a lot to dig into here.
It's the worst kept secret ever, lol. People suspected it just from the app being called 'Tender'.
Era actually did have a thread on this ARG
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...adox-teasing-an-event-on-february-23rd.99042/
And a follow up once it became more clear what it was (along with the GDC tease)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...21st-update-avellone-might-be-involved.101526
https://www.resetera.com/threads/th...adox-teasing-an-event-on-february-23rd.99042/
And a follow up once it became more clear what it was (along with the GDC tease)
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so...21st-update-avellone-might-be-involved.101526
I'll merge the threads, I did a search but didn't find anything. Thanks for noting.
UPDATE: Combined a few threads related to make this more collected and updated the thread title to clarify what this/make it show up on more search results, and to mention the upcoming update.
I'm really hoping this is based on the awesome developments to the lore from 5E. A game around the Second Inquisition would be amazing.
So I've been going deeper into the site and chatting with the bot. I triggered some flag, but does anyone know what answer it's looking for here?:
ME: What do you think of masquerades?
IT: i like tender.
ME: Is Tender a masquerade?
IT: ⭐This is exactly what I wanted to talk about!⭐
Tender's my life's work. Well, mine and Jobe's. We worked together on it for a long time.
The idea was to use PEGML: my theory of Procedural Emotion Generation via Machine Learning.
We thought this would help improve the experience of connecting with people.
I still think it's a good idea, but everything changed last year in September.
A certain someone took over my company with Jobe's help. They stole it. They got the copyright to the PEGML technology.
Do you happen to know who is behind this?
And it wants me to give it an answer but I'm having ab rain fart of who this would be, anyone here know?
EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out.
ME: What do you think of masquerades?
IT: i like tender.
ME: Is Tender a masquerade?
IT: ⭐This is exactly what I wanted to talk about!⭐
Tender's my life's work. Well, mine and Jobe's. We worked together on it for a long time.
The idea was to use PEGML: my theory of Procedural Emotion Generation via Machine Learning.
We thought this would help improve the experience of connecting with people.
I still think it's a good idea, but everything changed last year in September.
A certain someone took over my company with Jobe's help. They stole it. They got the copyright to the PEGML technology.
Do you happen to know who is behind this?
And it wants me to give it an answer but I'm having ab rain fart of who this would be, anyone here know?
EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out.
Hyped about a new Vampire game. Hesitant to be too hyped because we know nothing about this one. Is it a remake, a sequel or a spin-off? Is it just Vampire or is it World of Darkness? Who's developing it?
Also, if this is a fully 3D first/third-person RPG ala Bloodlines, it will likely be the most expensive game Paradox has ever funded. They've almost exclusively funded strategy games and isometric CRPGs.
Sadly, this greatly increases the chances of it being an EGS exclusive. Paradox will want to mitigate the risks as much as possible and taking a generous bribe from EGS is an easy way to do that.
Also, if this is a fully 3D first/third-person RPG ala Bloodlines, it will likely be the most expensive game Paradox has ever funded. They've almost exclusively funded strategy games and isometric CRPGs.
Sadly, this greatly increases the chances of it being an EGS exclusive. Paradox will want to mitigate the risks as much as possible and taking a generous bribe from EGS is an easy way to do that.
Going to be 3D for sure. they have released a bunch of location shots that are clearly in game and are too modern graphics wise to be from the original bloodlines
Picture two looks like one of the last sequences of the Ocean House mission. Three on the other hand, reminds of that abandoned building in Downtown where you confront the Tzimisce for the last time.
Yeah, same here.
Hope it's good. Will be interesting to see new takes on all the old places.
Developer is almost certainly Hardsuit Labs, with whom Chris Avellone worked 'tenderly' for 2.5 years until last summer, according to his LinkedIn. Hardsuit previously developed Blacklight: Retribution (multiplayer FPS).
Never been so hyped for some teasing. Still, this could either be the most dissappointment or the greatest gaming news since years. Still heartbroken about the WoD (by CCP) cancellation. If we finally get a new vampire game (there are literally 3 vampire games in the history of games, worth mentioning)... Ahhh.
So hope it won't just be a remake and/or some 1st person game.
So hope it won't just be a remake and/or some 1st person game.
i'm pretty convinced now it's going to be a vtmb remake or reimagining with additional quests and things like that. i don't think hardsuit labs is big or experienced enough to make a sequel that completly stands on its own, so this might be the best way to test the waters for more games and honestly it would be a pretty cool thing that they are doing. if they are "just" remaking vtmb the chances are high it's going to be great because the original is such a classic. i hope they won't sanitize it or change it too much. jeanette for example is a character that many people in 2019 would raise an eyebrow about her design.
also can you imagine deus ex getting a remake like this one day? i would cry tears of joy.
also can you imagine deus ex getting a remake like this one day? i would cry tears of joy.
Oh, good, I'm not the only one who thought that second pic looked like the hotel
I hope not - I like that many of the characters in that game were sexy, both female and male characters.. and the contrast of their looks and their interesting and deep characters and game never went for a ultra realistic look, it was all very stylized
But if they are making a remaster or remake of Bloodlines, then why is there Pacific Tower in one of the screens/concept arts?
my guess is that you are also going to seattle during the game as a part of some new quests or something. it might even be a completly new second hub world which would be insane.
I'm going to be disappointed if it's a remake, honestly. There's countless new stories to be told.
I much prefer that Hardsuit Labs makes a remake, considering their previous experience. A new, huge Vampire RPG seems like quite a undertaking.
Really like the look of those teasers.
Really like the look of those teasers.
So from what I'm reading and the way this lore is all set up, along with my own chatting to the bot...
BetrayedMind1 / Manchuria is a woman, and expert on artificial intelligence. Her and her friend "Jobe" built TENDER, a dating program using utilising Manchuria's PEGML algorithm. PEGML analyses your behaviour and attempts to connect with the user on an emotional level, forming a detailed profile of the individual, and assisting them with finding partners that they can connect with on a deeper level.
Their program and work was acquired by Malcolm Chandler, a venture capitalist. Shortly afterwards BetrayedMind1 was outed from the company, betrayed by Jobe, who became obsessed with and fixated on Malcolm, and assisted the latter in isolating and removing BetrayedMind1.
Further digging into the software nuances shows TENDER tracks individuals via a TENDER Bracelet, and profiles their blood type, "freshness", and the last time they were "tapped". Leaked documents profiling people also reference PROJECT CHIMERA, wherein individuals go through a number of trials including exposure to chemicals, ASMR, stress, etc.
BetrayedMind1 since lives off the grid, moving around and utilising disposable hardware to unravel TENDER. She contributes to https://www.trustnomore.com/, a conspiracy theorist website aimed at unravelling various conspiracies.
I think, taking Vampire lore, it's obvious that Malcolm is a vampire and Jobe became his ghoul.
BetrayedMind1 / Manchuria is a woman, and expert on artificial intelligence. Her and her friend "Jobe" built TENDER, a dating program using utilising Manchuria's PEGML algorithm. PEGML analyses your behaviour and attempts to connect with the user on an emotional level, forming a detailed profile of the individual, and assisting them with finding partners that they can connect with on a deeper level.
Their program and work was acquired by Malcolm Chandler, a venture capitalist. Shortly afterwards BetrayedMind1 was outed from the company, betrayed by Jobe, who became obsessed with and fixated on Malcolm, and assisted the latter in isolating and removing BetrayedMind1.
Further digging into the software nuances shows TENDER tracks individuals via a TENDER Bracelet, and profiles their blood type, "freshness", and the last time they were "tapped". Leaked documents profiling people also reference PROJECT CHIMERA, wherein individuals go through a number of trials including exposure to chemicals, ASMR, stress, etc.
BetrayedMind1 since lives off the grid, moving around and utilising disposable hardware to unravel TENDER. She contributes to https://www.trustnomore.com/, a conspiracy theorist website aimed at unravelling various conspiracies.
I think, taking Vampire lore, it's obvious that Malcolm is a vampire and Jobe became his ghoul.
The original game is both kind of niche and a cult classic. Introducing it to new generations would probably go a long way to paving the way for a new entry.
I guess, but the original is also a classic, and still very replayable. Reading 5E has me hyped for a game to tackle the story of the Second Inquisition as a setting.
That is dope as fuck. I honestly would cry if we see a game somewhat on the level of Bloodlines but set in the "App Centric World" of today. Tender is such a fucking Camarilla thing to do.
On one of the TENDER app leaks there is an "OMEGA list", of people put into batches. One profile is KNOXJ2019. Quick search brings up this Twitter account obviously playing into the ARG: https://twitter.com/knoxj2019
Putting it out on consoles would go a long way towards expanding the audience.
I have been actually replaying the original with the fan patch 10.3
I'll be a bit sad if it's a remake. The original is still good as is. I need some new stuff now.
I'll be a bit sad if it's a remake. The original is still good as is. I need some new stuff now.
https://www.pcgamer.com/paradox-continues-vampire-the-masquerade-teases-in-dating-app-arg/
So apparently, VtM: Bloodlines is getting either a sequel or a remake.
I recall them saying they were intimidated to do a sequel because the original is so beloved. So a remake makes a ton of sense.
Update the graphics and engine, keep the story and characters etc.
Gimme.
Also, I've tried the Tender thing, and I guess it's interesting?
So apparently, VtM: Bloodlines is getting either a sequel or a remake.
I recall them saying they were intimidated to do a sequel because the original is so beloved. So a remake makes a ton of sense.
Update the graphics and engine, keep the story and characters etc.
Gimme.
Also, I've tried the Tender thing, and I guess it's interesting?
Sorry if I sound cynical but these seem like stretches. In my experience these teases always end up far less exciting than what people hope for. But of course Id love another VtM game
You mean like this screenshot they released? This thing screams remake to me.
I'd like a remake as I've heard great things about it but never got around to it and I'm not a pc gamer.
I'm honesty hoping for a remake. Put it out on consoles too. Seeing as how the original is a decades old PC-only game that most people think requires a fan patch in order to play properly... that's a barrier to entry that a lot of people just aren't willing to hop over.
Yeah looking at the screenshots, I think that's a remake. A damn good looking one though, and if any game could use a remake, it's definitely this one.
People don't just think that, it requires one to actually run on modern PCs (at least last time I checked) and to fix issues with stuff like a blurry UI.