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Paper Mario: The Origami King trailer #2
- Thread starter Atheerios
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This is actually one of the reasons I love the Switch, because it specifically doesn't have achievements tied to every single game constantly popping up. I used to more obsessively achievement/trophy hunt, but then I kind of realized they distracted me from playing the game and setting my own goals and ideas.
There's just always been something for me so refreshing about the Switch just playing games and doing that one thing very well without any intrusions. I prefer the in game achievement systems that give you tangible rewards in game if any system is implemented.
I'm not distracted and I don't actively seek the achievements in any game. I just like seeing the progression
What new announcements or personal feelings have led you to that conclusion? I'm curious to hear. I feel like with a low-mid-80s MC score, Origami King will do great.
Also, to anyone who's watched the gamexplain 2 hour deep dive: is it super spoilery? Should I stay away?
I wouldn't worry too much, feel they are hiding more sub areas like the ninja villain and the Luigi interludes plus I feel the scope of this is bigger than we think
Kinda think we'll get a side chapter connected to bowser and his army that might be seperate from the main ribbon plot line perhaps involving his castle or base being attacked and having the airships. Plus maybe interludes.
7 + interludes for Luigi. The number of chapters might be deceptive as to length. The game will probably try to be as long as color splash.
It's okay, you mostly talk about where we go and what we do, but the actual story and twists aren't easily explained in a trailer
Oh right, how could I forget about the best new NPC? The Great Deku Stump (and his pals)!
Really though, this just makes me wish they'd use Whittles in more Mario spin-offs. They deserve better!
Birdo is in the background of that video
lmao you should take it as a compliment at how good of a job you guys do
theres probably a lot they haven't shown yet anyway
Let's just play as Luigi. And I agree, it looks like there's a lot of different areas associated with each streamer.
There are three ways I could see Luigi's quest to "find the keys to Peach's Castle" going:
- It all happens off-screen and we don't see or hear about any of it.
- It happens off-screen, but you can encounter Luigi throughout the game and he'll recount what he went through (like TTYD).
- Full Luigi interludes where we play as him for a short time.
Same. They were a really nice change of pace in the original and TTYD.
Bowser seems like a party member like Kamek or Bobby so he'll rotate out based on the chapter.
Honestly, the more I dwell on it the more I'm looking forward to this game. Regardless of battle system concerns, I'm all for a chill summer game like this with a truckload of charm.
My biggest concern is the length, with there only being five streamers to undo + Peach's Castle. I kinda hope that they'll be one more area after that, like an Origami Realm and/or the place where the thing bosses come from, but I really doubt they'd go for that.
My biggest concern is the length, with there only being five streamers to undo + Peach's Castle. I kinda hope that they'll be one more area after that, like an Origami Realm and/or the place where the thing bosses come from, but I really doubt they'd go for that.
Color Splash only had the 5 big paint stars + Bowser's Castle and I wouldn't call that too short. I wouldn't be too concerned that the game will be too short.
wow that place looks really cool.Nobody's been talking about the return to form in an area that truly matters...
Shops display available items out on tables! Now that's truly an important feature of 64/TTYD worth bringing back.
where are all these new images coming from?
They're showing way too much imo.
Why are those mache goombas "good" and not attacking you? Are they bowser's or something.
that's a good summary of it. And what they have to address.
You can also add that: the boss fights also appear to use different mechanics which devalues the objective of regular battles being used to gain abilities to fight the bosses even further, if the bosses have mechanics that regular battles don't address in some capacity.
CS had 6 big paint stars tho
Granted the last one didn't take that long to get to, but still.
Truth to be told, at first glance I really like the idea of an adventure game where the fights are puzzles with a new combat system.
It might not be what I hoped for, but it doesn't look bad at all to me. Companions have names, writing could be funny, the world looks gorgeous and at first glance the fights look nice too!
If the game isn't stretched out too much and hover around 15 hours or so, it might be perfect for me.
I understand everyone longing for a classical Paper Mario though. At least Nintendo didn't remake these games yet, so they aren't stuck on the 3DS.
It might not be what I hoped for, but it doesn't look bad at all to me. Companions have names, writing could be funny, the world looks gorgeous and at first glance the fights look nice too!
If the game isn't stretched out too much and hover around 15 hours or so, it might be perfect for me.
I understand everyone longing for a classical Paper Mario though. At least Nintendo didn't remake these games yet, so they aren't stuck on the 3DS.
This game definitely seems deceptive in length. A Prologue + six Chapters (the last of which being questionable, since we don't know how long it'll be) seems short at first glance, but the variety in areas within those chapters seems great. Interludes might help out too.
Since we're on the topic of locations though, i'll try my best at translating the ones mentioned on the Japanese site (the localised names will definitely be different though):
Since we're on the topic of locations though, i'll try my best at translating the ones mentioned on the Japanese site (the localised names will definitely be different though):
- Prologue:
- Deku Mountain (デクの山)
- Chapter 1: ... doesn't mention any location here besides
- Toad Town (キノピオタウン)
- Chapter 2:
- Maple Mountain (モミジ山)
- OEDO Land (OEDOランド)
- Drama Castle (劇城)
- Chapter 3: I need help with both of these, lol
- ムーチョサンドリア (well, Mucho = Snifit, but I dunno about the rest. Sand Rear?)
- ヤケスナ大さばく (no clue)
- Chapter 4:
- Open Ocean (大海原)
- Chapter 5:
- Jungle Hot Spring (ジャングルおんせん)
I'm not anticipating more than 6 chapters considering we've seen that the fast travel hub has 6 pipes, but that doesn't mean I expect the game to be short. Color Splash was almost 4 years ago, I'd assume this game has been in the oven for a while.
I'd prefer it if the paper aesthetics weren't so in-your-face after this entry. Some of it is fine, but some of it just doesn't gel well with some of the objects. It's like there's clashing with artistic directions or something.
I'm still going to enjoy this one though.
I'm still going to enjoy this one though.
We can't use number areas as length, many of TTYD's chapters did a lot with a small space.
And at least in terms of structure, this compares more to that than CS given that it's ditched the world map with segmented levels for one explorable area per chapter. And even then it seems a lot more open than TTYD.
Though I don't know what that means in terms of backtracking lol.
And at least in terms of structure, this compares more to that than CS given that it's ditched the world map with segmented levels for one explorable area per chapter. And even then it seems a lot more open than TTYD.
Though I don't know what that means in terms of backtracking lol.
I have a feeling that the jungle chapter might have some heavy backtracking. From the trailer, the order of events seem to be: meeting Kamek in the cloud city after being knocked out of Bowser's airship, going down into the jungle to find and rescue Bowser Jr., then returning to the cloud city to clean Junior in the hot spring.
Hope i'm wrong though, lol.
Just another reminder of something most of us knew. Soundtrack's gonna be goooood.
More of the main theme:
More of the main theme:
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I haven't had time to check most of the new stuff until now and man I am beyond excited. We are almost one month away
I should never have allowed myself to be excited for a new paper Mario game.
-Drawn out battles with no experience
-Temporary Partners lol
-Cringe amount of fourth wall breaking and boss designs
-The Sticker outlines are as hideous as ever
This looks genuinely terrible.
Oh well, at least Bug Fables exists thankfully.
-Drawn out battles with no experience
-Temporary Partners lol
-Cringe amount of fourth wall breaking and boss designs
-The Sticker outlines are as hideous as ever
This looks genuinely terrible.
Oh well, at least Bug Fables exists thankfully.
No lie. While I feel the games have gotten worse from a gameplay perspective, they have gotten much better from a musical perspective. Listening to the new trailer with headphones was a great experience.
I can't not think of the origami killer when I see posts about this. Game looks good though.
Although I will say I don't think the paper aesthetic is as well realised as tearaway. That had so many nice little touches with its animations and physics.
The bosses are a bit... unimpressive too imo. Like, fighting a roll of tape and a box of pencils just feels like they ran out of ideas. The rubber band thing at least has some character.
Although I will say I don't think the paper aesthetic is as well realised as tearaway. That had so many nice little touches with its animations and physics.
The bosses are a bit... unimpressive too imo. Like, fighting a roll of tape and a box of pencils just feels like they ran out of ideas. The rubber band thing at least has some character.
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Wait... do we have confirmation about EXP points yet?
Arlo's video had me genuinely worried about something that I assumed would be in the game. I also agree with Arlo that not having XP or any equivalent will ruin and stain all of the good will that the game has earned thus far.
Seeing a lot of mixed reactions on this subject which leads me to believe that we still don't know?
Arlo's video had me genuinely worried about something that I assumed would be in the game. I also agree with Arlo that not having XP or any equivalent will ruin and stain all of the good will that the game has earned thus far.
Seeing a lot of mixed reactions on this subject which leads me to believe that we still don't know?
We can't say for certain either way but I think it's reasonable to assume that this will not have EXP points. It is yet to be seen how progression will occur in this game.
We're really downplaying the idea of removing experience points from the Paper Mario franchise huh?
Well here's my main issue- removing experience points or an equivalent system eliminates the reward of doing enemy battles and robs the player of the sense of character progression that was present in PM64 and TTYD. No matter how "interesting" the new battle system is, players would be incentivized to avoid battles rather than participate in them. This was a massive point of contention with the previous two Paper Mario games.
It's a valid concern.
Well here's my main issue- removing experience points or an equivalent system eliminates the reward of doing enemy battles and robs the player of the sense of character progression that was present in PM64 and TTYD. No matter how "interesting" the new battle system is, players would be incentivized to avoid battles rather than participate in them. This was a massive point of contention with the previous two Paper Mario games.
It's a valid concern.
An experience point system isn't a requirement for battles to have meaning. And sure, if you're constantly getting pulled into random battles, you want those battles to provide some measure of reward, but but it doesn't necessarily have to be experience poins.
I'm not sure what サンドリア is, it could just be an attempt to make a place name with sand in it, like "Sandoria" or something. Maybe there is a pun in there that I am not recognizing.
For the second one, さばくis desert and 大 is just big. ヤケスナ looks like a combination of やけ meaning burnt/hot and すな meaning sand, I wonder if this is also some kind of pun.
Also by the way, I think OEDO is referring to Edo, which is the old name for Tokyo (this must be the old Japanese style town we see in the trailer). The O in front is just the honorable prefix that is added to important words sometimes. I'm not sure why they wrote it out as "OEDO" though, maybe this one also has some double meaning. Like maybe the O also means origami or something?
Nice job on these translations by the way! It's great that you are learning, I am studying Japanese myself, too!
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As somebody who loves paper Mario 64 and thinks TTYD is a good game. I actively avoided battles in both games because they became annoying after around chapter 3. It wasn't really rewarding so much as it was me playing catch up so I can beat the bosses.
Experience points isn't necessary if progression is tied to other areas.
Ha, thanks. I've been slowly piecing together a really basic understanding of Japanese; mostly thanks to my brother giving me some lessons to test his own knowledge.
The main desert one really stumped me, yeah. I picked up on burnt, sand and big individually, but I couldn't tell what they were going for with it, or how to type it out naturally in English. I'm assuming the localised name won't be anything close to that.
Also yep, OEDO is the Japanese village (the name is mentioned at least three times on the site, so it's hard to miss).