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Paper Mario: The Origami King - Preview Thread
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You should fully read what I wrote before you reply:
I'd say that was probably more frustrating than it's worth seeing as the games do a pretty good job of placing enemies in positions that make engaging with them far more preferable to trying to dodge them. The exception to this being the Chozo ghosts of MP1... but they lock you in the room.
Yeah the last two games offered coins as an incentive and I didn't care about battling in those...I guess if it's easy to skip them it's no deal breaker.
But at this point I wish they'd just drop the turn based battles and do something else...Super Paper Mario combat? No combat and go full on adventure game?
But at this point I wish they'd just drop the turn based battles and do something else...Super Paper Mario combat? No combat and go full on adventure game?
But you only need coins for things you use in battle. Which you won't need as many of as long as you avoid battling. We've seen this problem play out already.
Wonder how soon you can get that item that just lets you defeat regular enemies in the overworld, cause I wouldn't mind using it from the get go at this point. :P
That is nice but there can be repeatable battles that give you 10,000 coins and give you more. Furthermore is it known if those coins on the overworld can respawn? This doesn't proves anything until people have the final game.
Yep. All you'll do is save your coins for the boss battle really and buy what you need then.
If you do the math he got only 40 and we know upgrades cost up to 2000+ coins.
You all do too much.
Is the same system as Color Splash. If you clear the area with paint/confetti you get some coins but they don't respawn. Little enviromental objects do respawn coins but usually 3 or 4 for piece.
If people can keep telling us how they could run through so many other games without facing enemies then I'm sure you can avoid all battles, get the coins you need from the world to beat the game
You could use hundreds of coins but if the battle gives thousands of coins it would be a net gain. The curve could also change from early to late game.
Looks to be another good, but not great, Nintendo game that I'll play then just end up dropping for no particular reason. Also, Nintendo sure struggles with that arts and crafts visual style starting with like Yoshi last year. So disjointed (but still cool) looking.
And the combat in a game like Zelda is fun and quick and you get a satisfying feeling hitting an enemy. In this game you get slow turn based battles
Maybe watch the whole video before you tell people who's "doing too much".
Not only do the battles seem pointless from a progression standpoing but they're also quite gimmicky from what we've seen so far... SO I'm not sure how this game will hold up after a few hours of playing.
Or you could save those hundreds of coins, use them only for the battles you're required to do, and reap the thousands of coins from that to use for the next required battle.
Moreover, we've seen that you get thousands of coins on the overworld.
But I am not going to say that Metroid Prime is a bad game because its combat system is "useless". Just like when I'm playing any pre-BOTW Zelda I get nothing for facing enemies.
Yeah, from what I'm seeing the game gives you more than enough coins outside of battle.
Here's mario getting another 210 coins in the area directly adjacent to the 1000-coin item box. This is still very early on (tutorial battles still taking place) and mario's got 5500 coins already.
All these previews do is make me want to go back and do another run in BF's. Sure it'll be a good adventure game, but lousy rpg
The thing is the previews tell you this.
Here's mario getting another 210 coins in the area directly adjacent to the 1000-coin item box. This is still very early on (tutorial battles still taking place) and mario's got 5500 coins already.
I want to see a begrudgingly-done any% speedrun where someone skips every battle in the game while mumbling *What's the point?* :v
Hmm I wish someone would develop another real rpg game especially with Mario and Luigi dead. This sounds like it will be a fun time though
I know. Some people were making the argument that coins could work as de facto EXP.
I dunno man, I'm just so bummed out about all of this. The game looked like it had an enormous amount of potential from the trailers.
This wouldn't be much of an issue if the games in the new direction are well-executed. Just look at the reception for Fire Emblem: Three Houses compared to that Awakening and Fates, despite all of these games sharing roughly the same new direction (i.e. a greater focus on character-building).
The problem is that Sticker Star and Color Splash are badly-designed games in addition to abandoning the old design philosophy which has worked in the past.
Here's a feature from the USgamer preview that I don't think I've seen other previews bring up:
You can win battles just by throwing money at them, which is kinda funny.
If enemies were something meant to be dodged then they should forgo the elaborate battle setup and lengthy screen transitions and just dock health of I run into them. Which, strangely enough, they have that with the giant paper Goomba, and I don't see anyone complaining about that.
Shooting in a shooting game is like jumping on an enemy in Mario. Just really simple combat where you get out what you put in. I doubt anyone making these "well what's your reward for shooting in X shooting game" posts are being genuine though.
How far are these people into Origami King? Just because you get a lot of coins easily in the beginning doesn't mean the whole game's balanced that way.
The biggest incentive of battles in the beginning will be to learn the basic systems. I haven't watched a lot of videos but I haven't seen anybody who's farther than several hours. Let me know if there are any people who have gotten far.
The biggest incentive of battles in the beginning will be to learn the basic systems. I haven't watched a lot of videos but I haven't seen anybody who's farther than several hours. Let me know if there are any people who have gotten far.
This is exactly it. I wouldn't be upset at all if Sticker Star and Color Splash were still amazing games in their own right, but they both have so many poor design choices that just completely ruin the experience. It looks like Origami King is falling for a lot of the same pitfalls as those two.
I'm not nearly as disconcerted about the prospect of skipping battles (as I've always subscribed to the enemies-as-obstacles model anyway and thought that was the point of JRPGs introducing avoidable enemy placements on the map) as I am about the prospect of another generation's worth of insufferable whining from the zealots who hate "pointless" battles and haven't had anything original to say about them since 2012. Yawn.
I see this has already been the focus of this thread before the game has even arrived, and that regardless of how well the game turns out, there just won't be any conversation worth having. (My main problem with the SS/CS duo, meanwhile, was always the insipid inventory-check bosses all built around hard-counter Things.)
Anyway, I'm interested in hearing about frame rate and resolution, which didn't use to matter to me but does now for the sake of video capture. I only came in here to ask if anything on that score has been confirmed.
I see this has already been the focus of this thread before the game has even arrived, and that regardless of how well the game turns out, there just won't be any conversation worth having. (My main problem with the SS/CS duo, meanwhile, was always the insipid inventory-check bosses all built around hard-counter Things.)
Anyway, I'm interested in hearing about frame rate and resolution, which didn't use to matter to me but does now for the sake of video capture. I only came in here to ask if anything on that score has been confirmed.
Maybe you're spending too much time analyzing it in an echo chamber then? Perhaps wait and see what you think when you play the actual game
Also I love puzzles so that alone could make the battles worth playing for me
Over at Gamexplain, Xander's already beaten it and Andre is purportedly super close. Both said they avoided battles for almost the entire game to little consequence.
This game was never going to be difficult so the criticisms don't really hurt my interest. I understand the thought process behind the frustration but don't share it.
You're participating in the combat, you're simply doing so passively. That is not the case in this game.
You get resources that can be used for more than the combat. Moreover, again, you face them because they will hit you if you do not.
My favorite aspects of the originals were the combat system, resource management and sandbox-y progression trees with the badge system. I'm almost certain at this point that Origami King isn't offering anything like that.
All of the previews only describe the game up until the second world
You get a lot more rupees in Zelda by exploring the scenarios than in combat, the same thing being criticized here. And most of the time rupees are pretty useless anyway.
This game will definitely review better than Color Splash on the merit alone of it being a better world and more open connected design. Everything else seems similar or a little bit better than CS.
In Zelda you're not participating in combat for the rupee reward. You're participating in it due to the enemy placements making it more trouble than it's worth to avoid them, plus the fact that the best way to refill your health mid dungeon dungeon is by heart drops off enemies.
These aren't the gotchas that you think they are.
Yep. This is Color Splash+. Which hey I'm sure that's what Tanabe was going for and mission accomplished.