They need to make sure that battles give substantial rewards. That is mandatory. If they fuck that up again then they have learned nothing from their past mistakes...
I am cautiously optimistic. We will have to see.
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Paper Mario: The Origami King announced for July 17 (RPG battles confirmed)
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They need to make sure that battles give substantial rewards. That is mandatory. If they fuck that up again then they have learned nothing from their past mistakes...
I am cautiously optimistic. We will have to see.
I was in right in the beginning with that weird, creepy ass Peach origami asking Mario to join her. Then I wasn't so sure later on, the trailer on the first watch is rather chaotic (since Paper Mario games without context are ultra nuts), and all I could think of was "this is not a return to form, this looks dope but I know those rumors were some kind of monkey paw", but looking at the ~50 screenshots that got released, I'm in.
This seems ambitious af. Huge areas, seems totally wild and weird as fuck, and while I'm unsure on those partners (I don't know yet if they are real combat partners, and if they stick with you once their arc is done), I want to play it.
This seems ambitious af. Huge areas, seems totally wild and weird as fuck, and while I'm unsure on those partners (I don't know yet if they are real combat partners, and if they stick with you once their arc is done), I want to play it.
They should not be aiming to reproduce PM:tTYD (which is one of my favorite game ever) but try to establish a new reference point.
This game has the potential of doing so.
This game has the potential of doing so.
Game looks okay, but I have no idea why they insist on trying to fix Sticker Star instead of just giving everyone what they want. It worked for Zelda and 3D Mario.
My guess is that Odyssey is an in-house development team and they're basically given special privileges. The contractors like Intelligent Systems and Alpha Dream (rip)...not so much.
I'm pretty sure it is a corporate policy. It's more noticeable in Paper Mario since it relied more on modifying generic Mario designs for various npcs, but all outsourced spin-offs have been similarly restrained for a while.
The only new Mario & Luigi that we got with development starting during these later years was the Paper Mario crossover, which also only had generic characters. And the extra stories added to the remakes also mostly added standard Mario enemies (with only a couple of original antagonists in the last one).
Wow, that's a quick announce to release, I'm stoked for this. Played the N64 game and whatever the Paper Mario game was on the Wii (wasn't really the same RPG style as the first two games, but was still pretty good).
Pumped for this, I am always down for another Mario RPG style game. Now give me Super Mario RPG 2!
Pumped for this, I am always down for another Mario RPG style game. Now give me Super Mario RPG 2!
It's wrong to want sequel that are similar, but improve on things and don't change everything.
Yeah. I just want battles to feel like they actually have a purpose again. Lack of progression systems just ruined my enjoyment of the last two entries.
At least Super Paper Mario forgoes a transitioning battle system in favor of a stricter adventure focus.
You're right, I'm just saying that isn't a good comparison. We didn't wait until two months before release to get Death Stranding Gameplay.
Nobody wants a carbon copy, they want it to adhere to what makes the genre interesting. Imagine if Final Fantasy 16 came out starring a silent Noctis with generic teammate characters like Cactuar, Bomb, and Slime, but they never stick around or have any interesting story importance. Now imagine the battle system was just manipulable hop-scotch, the antagonists are shadow versions of the main characters, the item system is severely gutted, and every side-quest or NPC involves a generic talking Moogle.
That would be a boring FF RPG.
That would be a boring Mario RPG.
Paper Mario is a series that is expected to be a Mario RPG.
Origami King, with everything we've learned from the game so far and based on what we've seen of the previous titles, looks like a boring RPG.
I think something else to keep in mind, outside of the Odyssey team being very influential and high-powered in the company, is that the 3D Mario games are mainline titles, not spinoffs. Thus, new designs make sense to appear in these games. Sunshine had Pinatas, Galaxy had lumas, etc.
The spin-off titles don't have the same broad appeal and from a corporate standpoint it probably doesn't make sense to push new designs there.
Disliking something and being pessimistic or wanting something other than what was shown apparently means you're part of an "obnoxious fanbase" that "should be ignored".
I'm not bothered by the people who are happy with this announcement, but a lot of people who are happy with this announcement sure seem bothered by the fact that I'm not.
This trend of scrutinizing other people's opinions and expectations in reveal threads really needs to go.
The game looks cool, but it's not what I thought of when I heard a "traditional Paper Mario game" was coming. It's a bummer.
I'm not bothered by the people who are happy with this announcement, but a lot of people who are happy with this announcement sure seem bothered by the fact that I'm not.
This trend of scrutinizing other people's opinions and expectations in reveal threads really needs to go.
The game looks cool, but it's not what I thought of when I heard a "traditional Paper Mario game" was coming. It's a bummer.
People here now cry because BOTW is not a traditional Zelda and Odyssey is not like Galaxy.
So...
For a bit of positivity, here are some things I'm hyped about -
It looks like Toad Town is the hub again, what with the path leading to the north east, the cable car, and the pier, plus the southern exit which looks very Mario Galaxy 1.
This whole bit looks very Super Mario RPG
The trees have eyes, I missed the days of Double Dash when everything in the Mario universe had eyeballs. Also treasure chests are neat.
Bowser Jr. seems cute and silly, and also I've wanted a Magikoopa buddy in a Mario game for years.
The open nature of these areas is super exciting, and the art direction of the desert is subblime.
I assume this is the fast travel zone under Toad Town, which is way better than a world map.
This looks very modern and gives me Glitz Pit vibes, which was great. I'm guessing there'll be an entire chapter dedicated to putting on a parade or theater performance and that's amazing in concept.
It looks like Toad Town is the hub again, what with the path leading to the north east, the cable car, and the pier, plus the southern exit which looks very Mario Galaxy 1.
This whole bit looks very Super Mario RPG
The trees have eyes, I missed the days of Double Dash when everything in the Mario universe had eyeballs. Also treasure chests are neat.
Bowser Jr. seems cute and silly, and also I've wanted a Magikoopa buddy in a Mario game for years.
The open nature of these areas is super exciting, and the art direction of the desert is subblime.
I assume this is the fast travel zone under Toad Town, which is way better than a world map.
This looks very modern and gives me Glitz Pit vibes, which was great. I'm guessing there'll be an entire chapter dedicated to putting on a parade or theater performance and that's amazing in concept.
Consider for a moment that by "looks like trash" they're not talking specifically about the way the game looks (i.e. the visuals)Trash?
Heck are you smoking?
Well said
Looks great, and I'm glad to have a summer game to play. Between this and Clubhouse games, I'm set until fall.
Nintendo website says its Action/Adventure so game must be trashTrash?
Heck are you smoking?
Yet another concept that has been done before...
PTSD setting in.
Peach looks like she came straight out of the mobile game Reign haha.
It looks great but really comes down to the battle system for me. I hope there are no cards or stickers to use in battle that go away once used, that's kind of the make-or-break for me. Would much prefer an MP-style approach where I don't have to worry about losing moves forever or needing to save them.
This is what happened with metroid fans too. People called the metroid fambase toxic and awful for not liking what was happening with the series. Toxic and being obnoxious should be saved for actual toxic fans.
When has that ever been true of Mario spin offs. Waluigi says hi.
I mean, I'm not here whining about generic characters, but none of what you said has ever applied to this series.
You know, if I really had to bitch about the good old times, I'd say I miss the actual new characters and designs more than the unique partners. But the game just looks fucking incredible. I liked Color Splash a lot, this looks much better, more inspired, so I'm 100% in.
Hoping for more quircky music.
Hoping for more quircky music.
The RPG stuff has been "changed" for like three games now. There comes a point when you gotta realize touching the stove is gonna burn you.
The trailer was definitely good, the environements, music, scenes, and traversal looked good.
battles could be good, but we didn't see much.
I'm most likely getting the game unless things change
there's just several pitfalls we've seen before that are causing cautiousness. And those ended up coming true in SS and CS, even when people thought otherwise
the takes saying this is the worst thing ever, or that this is some huge revelation aren't worth reading.
battles could be good, but we didn't see much.
I'm most likely getting the game unless things change
there's just several pitfalls we've seen before that are causing cautiousness. And those ended up coming true in SS and CS, even when people thought otherwise
the takes saying this is the worst thing ever, or that this is some huge revelation aren't worth reading.
Where did I say franchises can't ever take inspiration from their roots? Of course they can, but calling the game "utter trash" and completely writing this off because it doesn't have every single specific feature that apparently "makes Paper Mario," for your specific demographic is not the same. There's also the fact that 'Mainline Mario' is in a different league of sales figures when compared to 'Mario RPG' games.
Hell, Super Mario Odyssey itself removed and changed a whole bunch of core fundamental concepts from 64 and Sunshine (the lack of a hub world, the decreased focus on pure platforming in favour of puzzle mechanics, the shift from a small amount of sectioned-off objectives to tens of smaller Moons per level), it wasn't as similar to 64 and Sunshine as people want Paper Mario to be to 64 and TTYD.
This is overly pedantic. It's clear what I meant, but if you really want I can edit it to say "traditional RPGs" or something.
I was calling the last 2 games mediocre, but admittedly I did not specify so it was left to interpretation to assume I'm one of the morons already passing blanket judgement on this game. So that's on me.
So can we blame Miyamato for making Paper Mario generic? Because all those amazing unique characters are what made Paper Mario and TTYD so special.
what if they removed the exp system and included it in an all around 'souls' system with the coins? where you 'buy' your upgrades (weapon/skills/hp) with some weird wacko npc at some toad hub? much like firelink shrine in dks3, this would work very well
Hah, I knew she looked familiar! Reign is pretty great too. I need to finish Queens.
For a bit of positivity, here are some things I'm hyped about -
This looks very modern and gives me Glitz Pit vibes, which was great. I'm guessing there'll be an entire chapter dedicated to putting on a parade or theater performance and that's amazing in concept.
I think this is actually from the beginning of the game. We see that Goomba head in another scene, and the bob-omb also seems to be a fairly early partner.
They are just ripping off another of the greatest games Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars!
Bowser's clown car saving mario made me think of that game. i'm sure the events in this game will be fun.
Paper Mario keeps getting weirder and weirder.
I like that the most about the series, it's always weird.
I like that the most about the series, it's always weird.
I mean it's not gonna change people to stop wanting it, especially when insiders here said it was happening.
Please only be positive about this advertisment and don't ask questions or you're a monster.
It would be cool if there was a level where you alternate heads and the gameplay changes to that of the game you are imitating.
So
Is this like a budget title ? Or maybe that's not the right word here but length and content wise should I be expecting something along the lines of PPTTYD or sticker star ?
Cause I'll buy this in a damn nanosecond if it's good.
Ya know what nobody here knows I'm just asking these questions for myself lol basically I'm cautiously hyped
Is this like a budget title ? Or maybe that's not the right word here but length and content wise should I be expecting something along the lines of PPTTYD or sticker star ?
Cause I'll buy this in a damn nanosecond if it's good.
Ya know what nobody here knows I'm just asking these questions for myself lol basically I'm cautiously hyped
People keep repeating this line and like, it's extremely silly to think that Nintendo's internal dev teams treat Miyamoto's suggestions as fiat, or that he's the one accountable for this direction.
