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I came SO close last summer to buying a Saturn and spending a few hundred quid on a second-hand copy of Saga. Still need to play it.
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Panzer Dragoon II Zwei: Remake Coming This Year
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I came SO close last summer to buying a Saturn and spending a few hundred quid on a second-hand copy of Saga. Still need to play it.
I'm kind of confused about the reception of the remake of the original. I mean, I know that things were a bit rough at launch on Switch, but is there now anything about the remake that isn't as good as or better than the original? In either case, I do hope they remake Saga, as well.
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I've played the original and the remake and I like them both. I think the remake debate comes down to art direction more than anything, since they ironed out the issues since launch.
If it's down to art direction, then I think I'm fine with the remake in that regard. Honestly, I think the art style of the Panzer Dragoon games was largely chosen due to the limitations of the Saturn, but I can understand it being off-putting for people to see stuff at significantly higher fidelity than would've even been attempted so many years ago. I mean, it's not as though this is the Xbox Back Compat situation of the texture detail being there and just having been previously displayed on hardware at resolutions that couldn't do the textures justice. I think it's reasonable for the overall detail to increase in a remake (or even re-release) of a game originally released on early 3D consoles.
Hahaha truthWhen you can put onto the game disk that you've created the greatest 3D shooter and no one can argue against your spitting hot facts.
Good news, the original director of Saga dropped some hints that it may have been found.
Saga was good looking on the Saturn but as far as I remember it was a really small scale game that only lasted about a dozen hours.
That's a tall order coming off of PD and Zwei but maybe they can handle it with some help from Sega.
Back on the Saturn, I bought/played Zwei before the first game, mostly because of how vastly improved it was technically. Really loved it. There's a moment early on in the game that remains one of the most magical events in it for me; can't wait to experience it again. I did end up playing the original PD years later though, and adore the soundtrack. I have the remake on Switch, but haven't put much time into it. Very much looking forward to this though... more so than the original!
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I'm glad to hear the remake got patched and that it's done well enough for Zwei to get the treatment. Saga or not, it's great to have updated versions of these classics. I really hope, though, that MegaPixel teams up with a studio like M2 to properly re-release the originals via top-quality emulation, perhaps as part of a collection for these remakes. Having the originals with some QoL and historical media alongside for context would be amazing for rounding out the project.
As someone still holding onto a physical copy of Saga (though not for long...), I really hope we get a forever-proofed re-release or faithful remake just so the game can finally enter most players' xRPG canons. It's more likely now than ever before!
The PD1 remake is in a good enough state that I trust Zwei won't have the same problems.
My only hope is they sort out the load times, because even post patch, the first remake's load times are abysmal, and it's even worse on Switch to the extent that I don't even bother booting up that version anymore. 35-40 seconds to load a level and about the same time for a retry is patently absurd for a game that small in scale.
My only hope is they sort out the load times, because even post patch, the first remake's load times are abysmal, and it's even worse on Switch to the extent that I don't even bother booting up that version anymore. 35-40 seconds to load a level and about the same time for a retry is patently absurd for a game that small in scale.
There are so many Saturn games stuck on that console. I can't believe only a few have come over to modern platforms. I really enjoyed PD 1 so I'm excited for this. Why did the 360 get Guardian Heroes and stuff like that didn't start rolling out more frequently?
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I wish the remake was more like this. There's something quite off with the remake's aesthetic that I just couldn't find the will to buy it. Still happy that my favorite Saturn series is getting remade.
Yeah and also a Shadowgate, probably new from what a developer said on twitter
Saga was "only" 15 or 20 hours but his one of the best product sega ever produced
I mean FE seems decent enough for a On rail 1:1 remake of 1-2 hours on rail shooters
I mean the other remake that is not on rail is missing from 2017 and 100% restared after Susnshee death, and Fear Effect is old school survival horror
I mean FE seems decent enough for a On rail 1:1 remake of 1-2 hours on rail shooters
I mean the other remake that is not on rail is missing from 2017 and 100% restared after Susnshee death, and Fear Effect is old school survival horror
come on, i say that with love, its one of my favorite games of all time. but that's the expectation, people paid $500 for it expecting FF7 part 2. that it is not. and its not supposed to be. its on par, in a different way.
Fantastic, easily one of my favourite Sega Saturn games and pretty close to being my favourite rail shooter.
The boss battles in this game are mad intense. The final boss theme is *chefs kiss* perfection. Look forward to hearing a newly arranged soundtrack for this too, wonder if Saori is doing another one(?)
The remake of 1 was good enough for me to be looking forward to this one a lot. The new graphics felt off in places but it played well. Zwei alongside Orta are my favourite games of this type by some distance and hopefully through the experience of remaking the original they can do this justice.
I'd agree with this. After playing the patched version, my only concern is how they choose to tackle the art direction. They should look to Orta as well as Zwei for guidance on this.
I really wish that SEGA would port Orta.
I'm tempted to get an Xbox Series X just for backwards compatibility, but the selection of games is not quite there yet. There's a lot of original Xbox games I'd still be missing.
I wish I had never sold my system, and could have had an HDMI-modded one now.
It was recently suggested that they may have found the source code for the game.
Zwei is possible still in my top 10 list of all time. Music, visuals, control...it's all so damn good.
Very excited for the remake.
Very excited for the remake.
I wish they would include the original Saturn game as a bonus. But I guess that ship has sailed, considering the first remake didn't do that.
Sounds like there could still be some kind of split relationship for Orta between Microsoft and Sega. I recall an interview with the PD:Remake producer where they said they didn't have access to that game and they didn't know what that deal was, that only Sega and Microsoft would know.
But yeah, a port of that game would be nice for more folk to give it a shot. It's a fantastic title!
It's wild how well the game holds up, that you can get it for $10 USD is just icing on the cake.
Yeah, this is my only complaint about the remake. I haven't played the original, so it would have been nice to be able to compare the experiences, even if the OG game was just presented in its original resolution and aspect ratio with borders or whatever. No need to do a remake and a remaster. Just let me see what people are nostalgic for.
Absolutely. Most critic was dealt with, i still think the new art direction looses some of that dreamy atmosphere 90ties cgi kinda had, and especially PD.
also: i honestly thought that the price was a bit steep for this game.
But if you prefere the new art direction there is no reason to not prefere the new one.
Probably, assuming that the Beetle Saturn core runs as well on Series X specs as it does on most modern PCs. It seems to run well in Kronos and YabaSanshiro, too, with higher internal resolutions and other graphics enhancements, but I doubt those cores are ready for console use yet.
I enjoyed the first on PS4 and got all trophies, I'll buy Zwei too.
Not a huge fan of the rails games though always loved the art and music. I'll support them all on the faintest chance of a Saga remaster though....
Not a huge fan of the rails games though always loved the art and music. I'll support them all on the faintest chance of a Saga remaster though....
Wooooow this looks great. :3
It could easily pass as an early or mid-budget PS4/X1 game, but it's literally 2 generations older. Insane!
Almost makes me want to buy an X1X just to play my copy.... lol. I never finished it due to not gitting gud ðŸ˜
The old IGN review put it best: Scribble out the perfect 10 for the graphics and place an 11.
Orta seriously looked a generation ahead. It's mind boggling.