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Panzer Dragoon avaliable NOW ($24.99, Switch timed exclusive)
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Yeah it's disappointing new PD releases are getting piecemealed like this. Not that the game is bad but I worry about the future of getting more games.
I was worried about the controls... I like on rails shooters but I am not really good at aiming, so if the controls are no the best...
Breaking my heart here but you are doing gods work by sharing these concerns with us.
Orta doesn't really need one what with it being BC on Xbox and it might even get a HDR update next gen!
Sega farming out beloved franchises to indie devs works when its 2D titles (Wonderboy, Sonic Mania, Streets of Rage) because thats actually where the top talent is working these days. It doesn't work for 3D titles, and especially those made on a slim budget.
Panzer Dragoon deserved far better than this.
Panzer Dragoon deserved far better than this.
Yeah, it's a bit... eh. I haven't played it in almost twenty years, but I brought out Orta some time ago and fell in love with it again. This feels slow, the shoulder buttons take ages to react and the gun/lock system is just bad. With the reticle flying all over, I miss a bunch of shots and it's hard to shoot down a group of shots coming at you. Target painting is the only thing that works but there's very little feedback and I keep pushing the buttons harder hoping for something to happen.
Disappointed in everything but the music. I hope they can fix it up a bit, but right now, it's average at best.
Disappointed in everything but the music. I hope they can fix it up a bit, but right now, it's average at best.
so to be clear: this in no way includes the original game or an "original mode" of any kind?
if so, this is a remake that effectively overwrites the original by being 10x easier to obtain, and it's literally the only option on Switch
and to top it off, it has big issues on its own
releases like this are so frustrating to me, and this one still would be even if this were a Resident Evil 2002 tier remake.
if so, this is a remake that effectively overwrites the original by being 10x easier to obtain, and it's literally the only option on Switch
and to top it off, it has big issues on its own
releases like this are so frustrating to me, and this one still would be even if this were a Resident Evil 2002 tier remake.
PD1 isn't that hard to obtain and can even be run on another modern console. PD Orta on the XB1.
I can never tell the difference between 30 and 60 but it runs great for me with no slowdown.
I'm playing through it now and got past Episode 2. Playing on handheld mode
to be honest, I'm digging it despite the differences from the Saturn version. The graphics and art style isn't bad; but it is different. The Saturn version felt more desolate and this version feels more... exotic, is the word I think fits. But they both work well in context (this version with the way the sun is makes it feel like a twilight kind of thing).
I bumped the sensitivity up a bit (max is too much for me, the default is too slow) and it's fine. The rate of fire for the normal shots is different and that's kinda of weird. Only noticed a few minor frame rate dips here and there in Episode 2 with the two giant sandworms but nothing egregious.
the shoulder button delay is baffling, so weird that this is even a thing. Hoping that they patch this quickly
will have to see how the rest of the game turns out. They probably should have released this with Zwei though...
to be honest, I'm digging it despite the differences from the Saturn version. The graphics and art style isn't bad; but it is different. The Saturn version felt more desolate and this version feels more... exotic, is the word I think fits. But they both work well in context (this version with the way the sun is makes it feel like a twilight kind of thing).
I bumped the sensitivity up a bit (max is too much for me, the default is too slow) and it's fine. The rate of fire for the normal shots is different and that's kinda of weird. Only noticed a few minor frame rate dips here and there in Episode 2 with the two giant sandworms but nothing egregious.
the shoulder button delay is baffling, so weird that this is even a thing. Hoping that they patch this quickly
will have to see how the rest of the game turns out. They probably should have released this with Zwei though...
Just finished it.
It's alright. The aiming and camera control changes definitely annoy me not just as someone that's played a ton of the original, but even just mechanically speaking. Turning around the camera takes just a bit too long, and the rate of fire for regular shots definitely could benefit from being increased. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the PD1 reticule kinda sucks, and the much more narrower aiming for the blaster doesn't help, nor does the slower actual lock on timing.
If you've never played PD, then most of this aside from the camera control won't bother you. I feel like even then though, newcomers will give this a shot and think "This is what people were excited for?"
It's a serviceable but definitely a bit flawed remake of the weakest game in the series at the end of the day. On one hand, releasing with Zwei might have made this a more appealing proposition, but on the other, I kinda hope they'll take criticisms towards this remake and make some much needed tweaks to Zwei, since that's still in the oven.
It's alright. The aiming and camera control changes definitely annoy me not just as someone that's played a ton of the original, but even just mechanically speaking. Turning around the camera takes just a bit too long, and the rate of fire for regular shots definitely could benefit from being increased. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the PD1 reticule kinda sucks, and the much more narrower aiming for the blaster doesn't help, nor does the slower actual lock on timing.
If you've never played PD, then most of this aside from the camera control won't bother you. I feel like even then though, newcomers will give this a shot and think "This is what people were excited for?"
It's a serviceable but definitely a bit flawed remake of the weakest game in the series at the end of the day. On one hand, releasing with Zwei might have made this a more appealing proposition, but on the other, I kinda hope they'll take criticisms towards this remake and make some much needed tweaks to Zwei, since that's still in the oven.
I get that this isn't going to be as good in 2020 as the original game was in 1995, I just want it to be better than the original game in 2020. Saturn 3D graphics are really hard to go back to these days.
That's what it feels like to me as someone who played the original game through Orta.
It's smoother to control, though I suppose I don't have enough familiarity as others do when they talk about slower reticle speed or turning (I don't feel that, personally). The only weird thing to me is keeping in the limited continues from the original game, which could be a turn off.
Good stuff. I bought a Switch last week, but it's back ordered - but this will be a game I pick up as soon as I get my hands on it. Could be a while though.
Having the only common reissue be an unlock inside another game is in no way ideal.
I find the look of Saturn 3D really endearing, I just want an option to have that style running at 60fps in HD
The Saturn games (especially Zwei) absolutely still hold up visually even on a modern display as long as you have an OSSC.
whenever i see this, i have to ask: how are you playing them? 32-bit era looks like ass stretched up & upscaled on modern sets. with a proper upscaler or good CRT, i find most games still beautiful.
But NiGHTS HD originally released without real analogue controls...
Last time I played Panzer Dragoon 1 was via the Panzer Dragoon Orta bonus back when PDO was a new game and I thought it had aged badly even back then. If I thought it looked ugly in 2002 (or 2003 or whatever), I can't imagine my opinion will have changed nearly 2 decades later.
With that said, the art style is great, it's just the technical implementation of that art style that is the problem. I'd love to see a high budget remake that made it look amazing since the essence is there.
Fwiw the bonus on PDO is a port of the Windows version that changes up some of the effects and generally looks flatter. The Saturn original holds up better. PD1 hasn't aged as well as PDZwei but it's still a pretty impressive title for its vintage IMO.
lol I knew someone would point this out. Obviously I mean the fixed version.
Depends, if they can learn from this, and update it... depends how invested they are in making it great.
Honestly, even after the fix it still didn't feel as good, but that's probably because of the controller. I should just give in and buy a converter.
I still have access to and regularly play the original so I'm just considering this a whole different game. I never expected it to be amazing given the pedigree and the lack of any original andromeda/smilebit staff.
I actually misplaced my original NiGHTS controller so I don't even have the option. Feels fine to me now, but I haven't done a side by side.
I actually misplaced my original NiGHTS controller so I don't even have the option. Feels fine to me now, but I haven't done a side by side.
My quick (hot) take after playing through mission 1 is that targeting is a bit more challenging - this is due to two factors - one is that they have so much more detail overall that finding the enemies within the environments, especially on a smaller screen (and I'm old) is a bit more challenging than on the older game, where there was a lot less visual noise that competed with enemy location. Second is that the sticks just don't feel as smooth to target with as the Saturn controller did.
Still a great game so far, certainly to support this amazing franchise.
Still a great game so far, certainly to support this amazing franchise.
I was playing the original on Saturn a few weeks ago, and I still think the visuals hold up. The art style and aesthetics of the game really elevate the look of the game beyond what the Saturn was capable of. It's a lot like Silent Hill in that regard.
Did you play it on a CRT?
Many old games look great on crt and not so much on LCD, not because of nostalgia, but because they where designed with the faults and strengths in mind (like self liminescence, natural blur,...)
