Yeah absolutely. I worry that having only PD in this will hurt sales.
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Yeah absolutely. I worry that having only PD in this will hurt sales.
It's an untested studio though so I'd rather have them get their sea legs, so to speak, on remaking the first game (which while good, is still the worst of the series) if that means that they do a better job on the later games.
I'm such a big baby - when Sumo included the Panzer Dragoon course in SATM Transformed, I booted it up on Steam excitedly and when the course starts Flight started playing - I actually welled up and had a little cry.
Console war PTSD
Damn - Sega you play us like a fiddle with your nostalgia baiting!
Console war PTSD
Damn - Sega you play us like a fiddle with your nostalgia baiting!
I never played any outside of Orta. The art is incredible in this series though and if it's anything close to Orta I'd be down to eventually give it a shot.
yeah, they announced both remakes at the same time. They are also making a new panzer dragoon game, Panzer Dragoon VR. Different studio on that one, though.
AFAIK it is still yeah. Same dev as this one. They're also remaking House of the Dead 1 and 2.
Did you know that game was gonna have Orta or Azel as a playable character? It hurts, man.
It is.
I think you mean Saga. There was no water stage at night in Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
I would prefer this to be on the Xbox with BC Orta, but I should support this.
I will buy it today!
I will buy it today!
Orta has the PC version of the first Panzer Dragoon as an unlock able if you want to check it out before buying this one. I'm not sure if it runs properly via BC, but it is serviceable on my original Xbox compared to my Saturn copy.
I really need to grab this game someday. It's so expensive though :-/
SF64 is a better game than the first but... talking furries.... with lame Star Wars plot points ewww
Give me dat Moebius Azarch inspired art and world building, and damn if that aint some Czech Small Orchestra chamber recorded OST magic.
Oh hey, they added the secret dual-stick mode from panzer dragoon zwei that wasn't in the original panzer dragoon. You needed to own 2 sega saturn flight sticks to play panzer dragoon zwei in dual analog mode, it's the only game on the entire system with this feature, and it's entirely hidden. Neither the JPN nor western versions advertise anywhere, even in the manual, that this is a feature:
they adjusted the color a lot from the initial reveal, it tries to match the colors of the original a bit more and look less desaturated than it did when it was first shown off, but it still looks a lot different from the Saturn original in terms of atmosphere. The original saturn game looked vast and desolate and bleak but still colorful at the same time.
What are the initial impressions? I was always interested in Orta when I got an original Xbox. Sadly, I bought it digital for Xbox One and still haven't played that much of it.
I've also played a tiny bit of Crimson Dragon but it seems so meh. I think I remember it being a grindfest in some fashion rather than just a linear story?
I've also played a tiny bit of Crimson Dragon but it seems so meh. I think I remember it being a grindfest in some fashion rather than just a linear story?
I think it's unlocked if you play for 5 hours or something I can't remember. You may be able to just leave it running for a few hours to unlock.
My fave shooters in this genre are Star Fox 64, Kid Icarus Uprising, and Panzer Dragoon Orta (the only PD I've played, actually)
I like the first for its lightning-fast, rock-solid action; the second for its action, its bombast, and its storytelling; and the last for its difficulty, its aesthetics, and an almost unassailable mood
Orta might be my favorite of those. If I ever get a One X or a Series X, digging up Panzer Dragoon Orta is absolutely on my to-do list, just so I can play it again. It's been a long time.
Should I play this game? What makes it different from Orta, outside of the lack of super attacks?
I like the first for its lightning-fast, rock-solid action; the second for its action, its bombast, and its storytelling; and the last for its difficulty, its aesthetics, and an almost unassailable mood
Orta might be my favorite of those. If I ever get a One X or a Series X, digging up Panzer Dragoon Orta is absolutely on my to-do list, just so I can play it again. It's been a long time.
Should I play this game? What makes it different from Orta, outside of the lack of super attacks?
It will always be the third level, route two for me, especially that quiet moment before the Saturn's soundchip kicks into overdrive and Hanuman drops from the jungle canopy. One of those audio/visual moments in gaming that just perfect.
Beat the first level, real quick impressions:
The aiming reticle has a tiny hit box, it's actually pretty hard to paint targets. It also feels like it takes longer to lock on than it used to. The graphics look quite different from the saturn original, not necessarily the worst thing in the world but it's weird that they'd be so willing to change the look of the game, while remaining slavish to other weird decisions. Like the reticle is the Panzer Dragoon 1 reticle, the one that was just made up of spinning boxes. Of all the reticles in Panzer Dragoon, that was the worst one, because the only indication it'd give you that you were able to lock on was it'd start spinning faster. Later reticles gave you visual cues that you were able to lock on.
Despite all this, it's still panzer dragoon. They don't make 3D shmups like this anymore. I don't mean that a knock on competitor's quality, I mean that literally -- 3D SHMUPs in this style are hyper rare now. So take what you can get.
The aiming reticle has a tiny hit box, it's actually pretty hard to paint targets. It also feels like it takes longer to lock on than it used to. The graphics look quite different from the saturn original, not necessarily the worst thing in the world but it's weird that they'd be so willing to change the look of the game, while remaining slavish to other weird decisions. Like the reticle is the Panzer Dragoon 1 reticle, the one that was just made up of spinning boxes. Of all the reticles in Panzer Dragoon, that was the worst one, because the only indication it'd give you that you were able to lock on was it'd start spinning faster. Later reticles gave you visual cues that you were able to lock on.
Despite all this, it's still panzer dragoon. They don't make 3D shmups like this anymore. I don't mean that a knock on competitor's quality, I mean that literally -- 3D SHMUPs in this style are hyper rare now. So take what you can get.
Measure your expectations - I feel its difficult say this because often a persons own judgment can be clouded by nostalgia etc.
Its a tough game, and there can be moments of intensity but also periods where it seems a bit samey and desolate.
You really need to take it for what it is and enjoy the mood.
I played PD1 after Zwei, and while I was able to see the flaws and notice the gaps where Zwei notably improved over the original, I still really enjoyed the first game.
The remake, I've not tried yet, but if you like any of those games you just listed its good to show your support for projects like this.
Just recently played and fished Orta for the first time myself on an OG Xbox, fantastic game.
FYI, for Canadians, this remake is $29.99 which is cheaper than expected given the exchange rate.
it's very straight forward compared to any other panzer dragoon game. There are no branching paths or alternate routes, no dragon morphing or upgrades, and no ability to alter your speed. All you can do is move your dragon around to dodge attacks, and rotate the camera. It also has virtually no story compared to the other games, which feature lots of cutscenes. Panzer Dragoon 1's story is almost entirely told in the opening and closing cutscene. It's also the shortest game with only 6 levels.
There's also no pandora's box, which became the series staple for unlockable content. Pandora's box started with the sequel, Panzer Dragoon Zwei. Actually, virtually everything I listed above was introduced in Zwei, save the ability to alter your speed.
Man, there is a really long delay between when you press the shoulder buttons to turn the camera, and it actually turns. Like, I'm not exaggerating, a quarter of a second.
Having this drop today is a wonderful surprise, wish it included the original game as an unlockable but the fact they're making the Saturn OST available soon pretty much guarantees I'll be getting it (edit: Uh oh, hopefully they fix those input lag/delay bugs and aiming related issues?). Just thinking about the Saturn opening screen title gives me chills.
And I understand Sega not developing these games but it'd be nice if they'd at least try to find a way to get the Sega logo on there somewhere for that added legacy touch, but whatevs. Not having any Sega arcade games in Shenmue III also hurts.
I just need to decide now if I'm going to get the digital version or try for physical with LRG. I got the deluxe physical box set for Battle Garegga from them last year, not so great selling methods aside, they do beautiful work.
And I understand Sega not developing these games but it'd be nice if they'd at least try to find a way to get the Sega logo on there somewhere for that added legacy touch, but whatevs. Not having any Sega arcade games in Shenmue III also hurts.
I just need to decide now if I'm going to get the digital version or try for physical with LRG. I got the deluxe physical box set for Battle Garegga from them last year, not so great selling methods aside, they do beautiful work.
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No Zwei is super disappointing. I'll grab it on sale because for some reason I just adore how these games look. But... ... man, not too excited about no Zwei.