You sure? This is America we're talking about.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/ice-raids-coronavirus-n95-masks
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Paid shipment of face masks intended for France 'bribed/hijacked' by US at the last minute, similar occurence happens to Canada as well
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/31/ice-raids-coronavirus-n95-masks
Not defending president shitstain, but shouldn't some of the outrage be pointed at the people who actually sold the makes out from under Canada and France?
Because it's China. They are very much like the U.S. in that the gov't only cares about itself.
The GOP sucks at everything that isn't the corrosive manipulation of government and the electorate to stay in power when the demographics should make it impossible. They've abandoned any pretense of or interest in governance. They're enacting intense short term efforts to extract as much profit as possible from the body they've infested and cheating as openly as they can get away with to retain those reins.
The Hood has come off.
Also if we accept the premise that the Chinese are just going to sell to the highest bidder, what was stopping France and Canada from outbidding the US? How often does stuff like this happen outside of this crisis?
Yikes okay nevermind. Was going to post about how if it's people dying in France versus people dying in the US why wouldn't the government do everything it can to protect its own citizens at this stage. But we're exporting PPE! Fucking hell.
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Did they sell them out from under Canada and France? I'm sure there's hardly any country in the world that doesn't have a standing order with Chinese manufacturers for masks, it sounds like the US basically just paid more for expedited shipping on theirs.
Call it what you want, these are your allies you are purposely fucking over because you're administration is too incompetent to get shit under control. This is how you wanna act on the world state?
I dunno why you're defending this frankly. (And yes, this deflection you are doing is a defense)
What's makes it sadder is that we have the capability to make masks, gowns, and ventilators ourselves. There is no need to depend on China. The president should have enacted the Defense Production Act and had millions of these made in the USA months ago. Just a total failure of leadership.
An apology tour won't work this time when everyone knows that Americans will - like clock work - put Republicans back in power in short order.
So I'm super confused and I don't speak French, but isn't this the official who the article claims said that the masks were stolen by Americans, saying that the article is fake?
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Renaud Muselier on Twitter
“.@LaProvence a du se croire drôle pour un 1er avril. Malheureusement, ce n’est pas un poisson, c’est une fake news ! https://t.co/3xlDWpZe2l”
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If true I would blame the seller more than the US. They're the ones fucking over their customers.
I think many prefer this narrative.So I'm super confused and I don't speak French, but isn't this the official who the article claims said that the masks were stolen by Americans, saying that the article is fake?
Renaud Muselier on Twitter
“.@LaProvence a du se croire drôle pour un 1er avril. Malheureusement, ce n’est pas un poisson, c’est une fake news ! https://t.co/3xlDWpZe2l”
The USA's greed as a country is the reason for Trumps existence and getting voted in. People saw their lavish and comfy lifestyles built on the backs of other countries going away, so they voted in someone they thought would ruthlessly take it all back with no remorse.
I am and I say the same about my country. It's all rotten.
Some of this damage is not going to be reparable. George W. Bush strained existing alliances and partnerships badly (especially the way he treated France because France wouldn't join his idiot criminal war in Iraq), and one of the reasons why things improved again after Obama was elected was the perception that maybe GWB was a once-off in terms of how poorly he managed US relations with the traditional friends of the USA. For those countries, most which had enjoyed decades-long friendly relationships with the USA regardless of which party was in power, GWB was an aberration and Obama's election was sign of a return to normality.
Trump strongly suggests otherwise. His election (and, more troublesomely, the continued reshaping of the Republican Party into something that looks like it will be a Trump legacy party for decades to come) shows that the countries that had friendly relations with the USA now cannot count on that ever being the case under a Republican president - and that it's more likely that every Republican candidate for president from now on will be someone who treats other countries as being inferior to the USA, imposes tariffs on a random whim, doesn't bother seeking or joining international consensuses, and feeds total misinformation to their supporters (like Trump's routinely-repeated claim that the EU was formed to take advantage of the USA).
The new normal for countries like France and Germany is four-to-eight years of moderately friendly relationships with a Democratic president, followed by four-to-eight years of mind-bendingly idiotic chaos from a dumpster-fire of an administration. Biden or whoever flying around the world saying nice things isn't going to change that perception.
I do like how the US is allowing companies to sell needed supplies ouside the country. But is doing bidding wars to receive supplies. Maybe they should....i dunno compel more companies to make supplies.
Well looking around the world, it doesn't seem like they will be alone in electing shitty people into power.
Well looking around the world, it doesn't seem like they will be alone in electing shitty people into power.
What in the fuck
fuck this administration so much. what the hell are they even doing
This is made out to be more devious than it is. All it says is Americans (it doesn't even say the American government -- profiteers are just as likely) are willing to pay more, in cash, sight unseen and suppliers are taking those offers over those for less money to be paid on receipt. That's not bribery or hijacking.
I'm not sure what people really expect while at the same time demanding more supplies in this country
I'm not sure what people really expect while at the same time demanding more supplies in this country
According to this article from Elpais.es, France did the same in Sweden with a shipment going to Spain.
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I think more accurate(at least based on the link earlier in this thread) is that it's not so much "allowing" than actually doing nothing or anything strict to ensure domestic supply is available first, and then to regions outside of the US territories. Essentially a capitalist free for all. No guidelines or structure.
Pretty shitty thing to do. Seems like all countries in need are looking out for number 1
Those masks were already paid for ( for a third at minimum ).
It's thievery.
Bribery of airport/logistic personnel so they can hijack masks that already belonged to someone else.
WTF is obscure to you ?
The headline alleges "hijacking" even though nobody in the story actually uses that word to describe the situation. They picked the most inflammatory word possible, tried to get away with it by putting it in quotes......but then nobody is quoted as using that word.
The OP just seems to have added "bribery" as well.
Well of course, nobody who takes a second to think would believe this is something unique to the US.
No. Trump would promise more. Then, after getting the goods, when asked for payment he would argue the price down. Get offended when it wasn't taken and pay less or nothing.
Rage against the U.S. is probably higher than its ever been in history (current adminstration to thank) and hostility will only increase in the years to follow.
When I travel I tell people I'm from Canada. Have for over 20 years. Have a whole fake back story about PEI and everything.
So I'm super confused and I don't speak French, but isn't this the official who the article claims said that the masks were stolen by Americans, saying that the article is fake?
Renaud Muselier on Twitter
“.@LaProvence a du se croire drôle pour un 1er avril. Malheureusement, ce n’est pas un poisson, c’est une fake news ! https://t.co/3xlDWpZe2l”
He basically says that's what being said is fake news (what was in the article before it got deleted) but he did a TV interview before that saying the opposite:
Seems legit, either the article that he linked didn't get the full story or got it wrong or he received a call from someone....
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This made me lol. Do you use a random Maple Leaf on your travel bag too?
Also, why PEI of all places? Must be an interesting origin story.
Yeah I find it hard to believe that every nation isn't getting in on trying to secure masks at whatever cost when people are dying everywhere.
Outside a few globalists who don't believe in borders or whatever, I can't imagine that a nation's government trying to secure PPE at whatever cost is something that voters or citizens are going to get angry about. If anything, voters would find it neglectful if their government wasn't doing everything in their power to try and save as many of their own lives as they could. It's shitty tribalism but I'm sure everyone is playing dirty pool right now.
The article says France has an order for 1 billion masks. But guess what? They're not the only country with a standing order out there. I'm sure hundreds of countries have already paid for masks that they are waiting to receive, and who gets those masks first is determined by who paid more.