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Who did the "hero ensemble team arrives in the nick of time" scene better?

  • Overwatch 2 "Zero Hour" Trailer - The Cavalry's Here

    Votes: 39 11.3%
  • Avengers Endgame - On Your Left/Avengers Assemble

    Votes: 306 88.7%

  • Total voters
    345

ScOULaris

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When the OW2 reveal trailer dropped back in 2019, I made a thread praising this particular moment for its flawless execution. At the time, I remember a few people saying that it was just Overwatch's attempt at an "on your left" moment that ultimately fell flat compared to its Avengers equivalent. I (and some others) felt that this was a much more impactful scene and executed more effectively (and beautifully) than the "assemble" moment in Avengers Endgame.

Now, over a year later... I wanna know what the prevailing opinion is on this comparison.






I'm voting for OW2's Zero Hour trailer for the following reasons:
  • I think OW's world- and character-building through all of the animated shorts that have come out since the first game's release really add a lot of earned gravitas to this moment of former OW heroes reuniting at a critical moment. On the surface this kind of scene isn't incredibly original, but it's just executed to such polished perfection here that I get goosebumps every time I watch it.
  • The music. My god. I think it's fair to say that the music scoring this scene (and most of the trailer) plays a significant role in the impact that the proceedings impart on the viewer. It's just a fantastic composition and woven into this scene flawlessly. It gets your blood pumping, especially if you like these characters and the OW universe as its depicted in the animated shorts.
  • Genji in a hoodie.
  • In general I find most of the MCU to be pretty middling in quality and lacking in emotional heft, so this climactic scene fell a bit flat for me because of the typically rushed/uneven CGI being applied liberally throughout. That's a big reason why most of the MCU films have never resonated much with me. It's so clear that they are under super tight time budget constraints because you'll see some scenes in which the heavy use of CGI is of shockingly poor quality for films that rake in such large sums of cash.
 
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Nakenorm

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's endgame and it's not even close.
10years of buildup.
Epic music.
Spider-man.
Never cared for overwatch other than some of their better cgi trailers.
 

DaveB

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's hard to say one is better than the other. They both have their own touches and emotionality.

I've been a big fan of the MCU movies, so the scene was a pretty cool payoff after over a decade of build-up.

I'm new to Overwatch - only recently began playing on Switch - but their take on a scene like that was pretty cool.
 

TheDanimal

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It's endgame and it's not even close.
10years of buildup.
Epic music.
Spider-man.
Never cared for overwatch other than some of their better cgi trailers.
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Overwatch is a fun game, but the story has never really felt like an important part of the actual gameplay. Avengers is the culmination of 10 years of movies. Plus "Portals" is such a good song, I still get chills.
Your last point really dilutes any type of point of this
Also this
 

azfaru

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Dec 1, 2017
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I feel like this more of an apples and oranges scenario than you've let on, lol

Yyyyeeeeahhhh lol. Not a big fan of Marvel so Overwatch 2 wins by default. But weird to pit them both tbh

edit: and damn you for making me think there was a new Overwatch 2 announcement! I'm actually really hyped on it and any hint of news will just make me insta-cum
 
Oct 25, 2017
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i feel the exact opposite as you, because Overwatch's story is so disjointed and basic that this moment had no real impact. whereas the Avengers moment comes at the end of a journey that felt even more connected and cohesive due to the nature of Endgame's story.

that's just me though. i know plenty of folks have gotten a lot of mileage out of how Blizzard has told Overwatch's story. never grabbed me personally however. the Overwatch 2 reveal felt like the first time the story was actually going somewhere, instead of just filling up background events/character details. Endgame was, as the name suggests, a climax of a decade of storytelling.
 
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ScOULaris

ScOULaris

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Your last point really dilutes any type of point of this
Why's that? I was just saying that the heavy use of obvious green screening and CGI in the Endgame scene holds it back from having a stronger impact on me compared to the more cohesive, polished execution of the OW2 trailer.
 

Nocturnowl

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love me some Overwatch, but this is a really tough comparison, an uphill climb that's a struggle to undertake worthy of the competitive grind for Overwatch.

Avenger's moment is like peak comic book "big damn heroes" moment that's built off the back of numerous movies and the varied casts of each, a massive part of the big crescendo the MCU had been building to for yonks, even within the context of just the infinity war duo it's tops.
And I'm a sucker for the on your left callback

Meanwhile Overwatch is like....a game that had promising lore and then drip fed pitiful amounts to the point most engaged with its wider story lost interest, effectively I'm not sure we ever went forward from Winston's message when you boot up the game? Just lots of looks a bit further backwards or where other characters are at "now" via a scattering of comics, cinematics and in game tidbits that failed to carry the momentum.
The out of nowhere sequel reveal with actual story beats is a neat reveal but while a well executed cinematic, it's very hard for me to feel like "fuck yeah!" when Genji turning up in a hoodie means comparatively very little to me for a plot that seems like it's been in permanent stasis.
Also it's only a thimbleful of the potential cast that could make the scene.
 
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ScOULaris

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You're seriously leading your thread with this?
Yeah, why not? A bunch of "fuck Blizzard" posts would just derail the discussion, which is centered around comparing two scenes that both featured a collective of superheroes arriving at the last minute to save the day after having been separated for a long time.
 

sredgrin

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Overwatch, while better at it than a lot of games of its type, is still ultimately a PVP shooter that has a lot of context is lost on people. I don't know why this particular robot army is such a challenge or if indeed they even need the calvarly.

Also it's not the capper for a 2 hour movie
 
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LumberPanda

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DISCLAIMER: Please refrain from derailing the thread with anti-Blizzard rhetoric. It's fine to not want to support Blizzard for various reasons, but I'm talking about an exceedingly well-made trailer that can be appreciated for its own merits.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to derail with all the anti-Disney rhetoric I have saved up. I have lots.
 

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I played a decent amount of Overwatch and that trailer had no real effect on me.

Is this just a low key thread to dump on the MCU?
 

est1992

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Why's that? I was just saying that the heavy use of obvious green screening and CGI in the Endgame scene holds it back from having a stronger impact on me compared to the more cohesive, polished execution of the OW2 trailer.
Because what's the point in comparing two things when you have such a strong bias for one over the other?

I mean just read the post, it's all about OW lol

And for the record, I chose Avengers. I like OW but it doesn't come close to the emotional impact of 20+ movies over the span of a decade.
 

Nocturnowl

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I will say they hit the music right with the OW trailer. But it loses all realism when Genji's on point saving someone.
1000

I am suitably tickled
 
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Kongroo

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Oct 31, 2017
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I've spent almost 1000 hours in Overwatch and that Overwatch 2 trailer does nothing for me. Mostly because Blizzard has shown over the past 4 years that they barely care about their own lore and characters.

In 4 years of Overwatch, we barely have any store progression that goes past Winston sending the beacon. It's a damn joke. The Overwatch 2 trailer doesn't earn it's goodwill like Endgame does. For that reason alone, the OW2 trailer is nowhere near the same level.
 

Chumunga64

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MCU because the story is doesn't retcon itself every couple of months

  • I think OW's world- and character-building through all of the animated shorts that have come out since the first game's release really add a lot of earned gravitas to this moment of former OW heroes reuniting at a critical moment. On the surface this kind of scene isn't incredibly original, but it's just executed to such polished perfection here that I get goosebumps every time I watch it.

OP how can you say this when blizzard doesn't give a shit about their characters other than surface level charm
 
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ScOULaris

ScOULaris

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Because what's the point in comparing two things when you have such a strong bias for one over the other?

I mean just read the post, it's all about OW lol

And for the record, I chose Avengers. I like OW but it doesn't come close to the emotional impact of 20+ movies over the span of a decade.
The OP just sets up the thread and then includes the reasoning behind my vote. I expected others to vote and give a quick explanation as to why they preferred one scene over the other as well. It wasn't my intention for my bullet points to subtly influence anyone else's opinion on the matter.
 

sanstesy

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Marvel characters at least have a history spanning decades with movies dedicated to them.

Overwatch characters are shallow characters with no history at all that only look somewhat cool.
 

Klyka

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People were invested into the MCU over years.
No one is invested into the world building of Overwatch.
 

Bane

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I don't think any other heroes assemble scene will top Endgame's for a really long time. It doesn't help that, so far, Overwatch's story has felt like a an afterthought to the game. I enjoyed that trailer but overall the story has felt so disjointed and meaningless.
 

Spring-Loaded

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Even ignoring the different story formats and approaches to progression, and putting aside the gulf of sheer scale, the two moments in isolation don't even compare. Avengers is far ahead
 

Crossing Eden

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Lmao at the notion of the MCU lacking emotional heft vs. the emotional roller coaster that was Endgame. Like who was watching that trailer and thinking "oh no don't kill Winston! He's such a great and developed character that I'm very emotionally invested in!"
I will say they hit the music right with the OW trailer. But it loses all realism when Genji's on point saving someone.
💀💀💀
 

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im fucking dying at this thread - the concept, 10 years of build up vs whatever the hell this overwatch moment was, and then the disclaimer to not shit talk blizzard LMAO

i felt nothing when i watched the overwatch trailer but I know other people did, personally i think its not even close because the avengers moment was an intense pay off for multiple movies AS WELL as the movie itself - and people had a feeling Cap and Ironman were going to go out so it was possible that Thanos might have ended him right there before the cavalry arrived
 

Arta

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One has characters some people literally grew up watching and the others are a bunch of videogame characters that could have radioed ahead before three of their friends needlessly put themselves in harm's way.
 

platocplx

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im fucking dying at this thread - the concept, 10 years of build up vs whatever the hell this overwatch moment was, and then the disclaimer to not shit talk blizzard LMAO

i felt nothing when i watched the overwatch trailer but I know other people did, personally i think its not even close because the avengers moment was an intense pay off for multiple movies AS WELL as the movie itself - and people had a feeling Cap and Ironman were going to go out so it was possible that Thanos might have ended him right there before the cavalry arrived
Right lets compare a multi billion dollar movie epic to this lol. Ridiculous.
 

BassForever

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Maybe if Overwatch had been canceled by activision, then Blizzard broke free and took the IP, and the OW2 trailer was them also reviving the IP. Maybe in that scenario this poll would be slightly less lopsided then it currently is, but not by much.
 
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Even ignoring the different story formats and approaches to progression, and putting aside the gulf of sheer scale, the two moments in isolation don't even compare. Avengers is far ahead

The scale of the conflict too. Save the world vs save multiple universes :P

And fighting Thanos vs fighting a big generic looking robot...one feels much more dangerous than the other
 

Niklel

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Overwatch, and it's easy for me.

But maybe that's because I actually care about OW and don't give a fuck about MCU.
Also, and this one is not biased, OW trailer music is way, waaaaaay better.
 

Tbm24

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I don't think it's a fair comparison, but the OW2 trailer hits me harder than Avengers EndGame scene ever did/can. Frankly, I care more about OW than Avengers full stop. So I'm biased.