10% is still to much and alot of people. I was just expecting they percentage to be way higher.
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Over 1 in 10 young gamers get into debt by buying loot boxes.
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10% is still to much and alot of people. I was just expecting they percentage to be way higher.
User banned (2 weeks): rationalising child abuse over multiple posts.
Ohh, man! Just thinking about it bring me chills. I'm not condoning abuse, but a good beating can prevent a lot of things. And like I said, cultural things, before anyone gets mad.
It's crazy how that thing that MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT GAMBLING, SHUT UP, STOP ASKING QUESTIONS poses a lot of the same risks and produces behaviors so similar to gambling.
It's almost like... well, no, that just couldn't be...
It's almost like... well, no, that just couldn't be...
I just want to say this is a very well put and concise post that I feel really paints the phrase in a digestible manner and covers many much needed bases. Thank you for this.
Lootbox design is horribly manipulative, and I'm still mad at gaming media doing the rounds praising Genshin Impact's monetization despite relying on the same lootbox gacha system
I feel like a kid stealing money from their parents is going to be doing it for more than just game loot boxes, like they're probably doing it for anything they feel like buying. Also the wording on kids borrowing money they can't pay back is weird to cause like, they're kids, of course they aren't paying money back lol.
A young (12-13 ish) family member stole credit cards from adults in our extended family to buy vbucks and other dumb shit for over 4 grand. The idiot didn't really think it through, because it took under five minutes to prove it was him.
I was genuinely shocked when it happened, because he didn't seem the "type", if that is even a thing anymore.
I was genuinely shocked when it happened, because he didn't seem the "type", if that is even a thing anymore.
And it's a better business model to corrupt and addict younger people than it is to try to dupe a fully grown adult.
Parents should get an Apple Card, kids can't get the number off of it because it has no number lol
also microtransactions need to go away
Thank you for the kind words. But yeah, this lack of empathy is a pretty ugly common thread I've been picking up through all the multiple discussions about lootboxes on Era, and I wanted to at least get that off my chest. To be frank, I don't think it ended up being all that concise (anything over five lines is usually skipped), but at least I said my piece.
I mentioned this before (on the subject of capital punishment, no less), but Era in general is somewhat weird in that it prides itself in adhering pretty strictly to progressive tenets as a fundamental part of its identity, but then, individual users rarely show or practice the empathy which should be the very core of leftist ideology. The very second a specific topic falls slightly outside the left-right political axis (and, hell, even when it doesn't; lootboxes are still very much a "capitalism vs consumer protection" topic), empathy seems to become completely optional.
So you're telling me Konami is ahead of the curve on this one?
Are you sure they were buying loot boxes? Fortnite Battle Royale has never featured loot boxes, and Save the World's loot boxes had the blind element removed years ago. Unfortunately while loot boxes are the most problematic style of monetisation, it's more than possible to get addicted to buying items without the random element.
Yep. I remember as a kid going to a grocery store and spending allowance on money orders to send to Gaia Online because I wanted some limited event thing for a site I don't even remember the purpose of.
I believe it was vbucks like I stated in the original post, but also a bunch of other stuff from other games with monetization. A mix between currency, lootboxes, subscriptions and some one-time purchases. Like you said, it's more the buying itself that was addicting.
I bought a few season passes to Rocket League, then realized "this is stupid" and just stuck with one car/configuration going forward.
The free drops are fine, but I enjoy the game way more without thinking about the cosmetics.
The free drops are fine, but I enjoy the game way more without thinking about the cosmetics.
I love Genshin Impact, but if I had kids who were gamers I'd legitimately not let them play it. The potential for getting hooked on the gacha is very high compared to your average game with lootboxes like Overwatch / Apex Legends / etc. when there are whole characters and weapons that you can get from it rather than cosmetics. They dangle a new carrot in your face every few weeks by releasing characters frequently.
I've spent about the price of a normal retail game on Genshin because I enjoy it, but I'm sure there are countless teenagers out there who've gotten sucked into the gacha hole and spent hundreds of dollars already. I do worry about Genshin's absurd pricing for pulls (it's $30 for 10 pulls) potentially seeping into other games because of how popular it is. I also think Apex's lootboxes / skins are ridiculously priced and despite buying a few battle passes for that game, I refuse to ever buy lootboxes because of the cost.
I've spent about the price of a normal retail game on Genshin because I enjoy it, but I'm sure there are countless teenagers out there who've gotten sucked into the gacha hole and spent hundreds of dollars already. I do worry about Genshin's absurd pricing for pulls (it's $30 for 10 pulls) potentially seeping into other games because of how popular it is. I also think Apex's lootboxes / skins are ridiculously priced and despite buying a few battle passes for that game, I refuse to ever buy lootboxes because of the cost.
He got suckered in by a system designed to press certain buttons on one's brain. He's the victim here (I mean apart of the people who got charged 4k)
I'm sorry, but this is a disgusting thing to say. Not only is it horrific on its face, but years of studies have continually disproven it.
And using culture as a defence doesn't work either. You can say it happened, but I draw the line at advocating its efficacy.
"Say what you will about the Mussolini, but the trains ran on time!"
(They didn't: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/loco-motive/ )
Yeah, comparing a megalomaniac to a parent disciplining their child... Again, cultural.
I clicked on the link in the OP and then I downloaded the "study". No information on whether the sample was representative, no info on the sample size, no info on the limitations of the study. Worthless. 🤷
I don't believe these numbers until I can see how the study was conducted. Does anyone have a link?
I don't believe these numbers until I can see how the study was conducted. Does anyone have a link?
I wasn't comparing the two. I was using a technique called reductio ad absurdum --showing the absurdity of the thought process of "There's this horrible act, but at least there's a benefit!" by taking it to a logical extreme. It's a known sardonic tool (which is referenced in the article I linked). Here's another article: https://www.softschools.com/examples/literary_terms/reductio_ad_absurdum_examples/337/
But you know that already, considering I never said child abuse -- oh, sorry, "disciplining a child," can't forget that minimization! -- is exactly like Mussolini.
Thank you so much for this post. I was going to make a much shorter, more acerbic, less helpful response to some of these posts, but you handled it in a much better way, and I'm thankful for that.
Even though it's "only 10%" it feels like way too much. I remember feeling super stupid when I bought 2 10 USD Overwatch lootboxes. Never fucking again.
Saying, and I quote, "a good beating can prevent a lot of things" is one hundred percent "condoning child abuse". And "cultural" is not the free get out of jail card that you seem to think it is.
A few slaps to the butt, never killed anyone, again you may see it wrong, but where I'm from, it works. Clearly better than what those parents are doing that those kids are stealing from them repeatedly.
I used to tutor a kid who spent over $600 of his parent's money on Fornite. They gave him a slap on the wrist punishment, lol. They were quite well to do so I'm not too surprised.
Crowbcat is a piece of crap, but there is one video they made which hit the nail on the head when it comes to lootboxes/skins
Edit - Sound/volume warning, screeching/yelling people.
Edit - Sound/volume warning, screeching/yelling people.
Where do you live where being short of killing the child is a good enough argument for it?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I also disagree with the assertion that child abuse "never killed anyone" -- considering abused children have a 300% higher suicide rate.
Edit: removed a pronoun as I realized I do not know the gender of the poster.
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This kind of thing is awful. I spend a few hundred a year on games and still manage to beat 25-45 games a year. The idea of blowing several hundred on a single game trying to win some skins or cosmetics is just abhorrent to me, and 100% something that needs to be looked into. It's gambling in all but name and I'm not surprised it's negatively impacting younger gamers on this scale
Pretty dubious study, but I don't need a study to tell me that something that is in every relevant way gambling should not be inflicted on young minds without fully developed impulse control. Scumfucks on YouTube doing paid content opening lootboxes ought be taken to task, too.
loot boxes need to be killed.
the answer is yes, people buy the skin they want, but they will buy dozens of loot boxes to get the specific skin they want.
I'd still like to see data on it rather than conjecture, though. I think the outlier / high volume consumers are going to be spending WAY more on loot boxes (the ones that literally ruin themselves financially). But I do wonder if the mean experience has a consumer spending more money on direct skins than loot boxes. For the record, I think both need to be redesigned. For loot boxes, that would mean a completely elimination.