Oh wow, I didn't know this since I didn't actually buy anything from it.
Just one more reason why I feel good about not supporting the EGS.
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Outer Wilds confirmed EpicStore timed exclusive after luring crowdfundees with a steamrelease. [see EGS guidelines]
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Just one more reason why I feel good about not supporting the EGS.
This is well-trodden territory. You need to listen to reasons why people don't think these deals are good for customers. Just to start:
- higher prices
- fewer regions and ways to pay
- fewer features
- no Linux support
I hope Linux and Region thing gets fixed soon.
Well Epic did self-ban EGS from Asia market because... reasons (they haven't explained it). My guess is that they don't see value in the market region and was put into interesting light when Valve released that data about those cash / prepaid cards. How they are basically The Payment Method used in Asia market and from which Valve is eating a lot costs per card. Epic is already running EGS on red so having to put out such cards without huge mark up to end consumer would push them deeper to red.
Also doesn't limited availability of payment methods fuck over Middle-East too?
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Was the outrage this severe for Yooka Laylee or Bloodstained skipping Wii U (AND Vita in Bloodstained's case!) entirely, not even timed?
Or is something else the problem here. Hmmm....
Or is something else the problem here. Hmmm....
They are not just trolling. To some people this is as simple as opening another launcher. Just because you have an issue with it, doesn't mean other people do. I have no problem using EGS. It works fine for me, and I think the store looks much better than Steam (but that is due in large part to Steam having a million more games, and can't be presented the same as EGS). ResetEra users thinking people should be banned for having this opinion are just ridiculous. Especially, when the real reason a lot of people don't like EGS is that it limits the ability to get keys from 3rd-party resellers. That is literally one of the main reasons people actually don't like EGS. In addition, you have posts like the one above that essentially says EGS is racist. Like, that is straight up conspiracy-level nonsense that actually should be banned according to the EGS staff posts.
TLDR: Just because you don't like EGS and think it's more than opening another launcher, doesn't mean that some people can't believe that it is as simple as opening another launcher. You just don't agree with them. They are perfectly within their rights to feel that way.
Whenever I read these threads I get the impression that at least half of the people posting in them don't even play on PC and just want to see the platform burn because there really is no logical reason to think any of these exclusives are a good thing for consumers.
Wow, they seriously do not have a presence in South-East/East asian countries? Jesus Christ Epic. That means that all those people literally do not have a way to play these exclusive games for a YEAR until they come to Steam?
Also I'm not sure about the Middle East part but then again, most of the middle eastern gamers I know only buy games on PS4 and use WhatsApp instead of discord to organize conversation/matchmaking for stuff so they don't exactly have a pulse on the latest goings ons.
It's not just that they are putitng forth this opinion. They are LITERALLY disparaging and dismissing other's opinions that it's about more than a launcher.
Outer Wilds barely hit its fundraising goal on Fig, the crowdfunding platform where they have to pay back some money to investors. That goal was 125,000 dollars. This game has been in development for quite a while and there are 12 people on the team. This game has already cost several hundred thousand more dollars than they made from Fig. I feel it basically goes without saying that even with the money they're getting from Fig, AnnaPurna, and Epic, the cofounders haven't seen any money from this yet. For better or worse, they have clearly been doing everything they can to just ship this game. So.. I don't blame them for going this route (and I doubt they took it unilaterally or lightly).
If this is timed exclusivity.. eh. It's still coming to Steam, just not on the release date that was definitely never a guarantee on any crowdfunding site. To be clear, this still sucks. I think Epic should fund refunds for people who want it AND provide backers an EGS version key, particularly for people who simply can't play the game now. But ultimately, I don't think the hate for the devs is deserved in this situation.
If this is timed exclusivity.. eh. It's still coming to Steam, just not on the release date that was definitely never a guarantee on any crowdfunding site. To be clear, this still sucks. I think Epic should fund refunds for people who want it AND provide backers an EGS version key, particularly for people who simply can't play the game now. But ultimately, I don't think the hate for the devs is deserved in this situation.
Except that this has already been explained.
One cannot come into the thread and couch this as the "just asking questions" douchebag. It is a different thing to acknowledge people's issues but admit it isn't a problem for you personally.
It's not unresonable at all, but it's an assumption netherless
I have no problem with folks making arguments for EGS. That's the point of a discussion board. I'm specifically talking about posts that say "just another launcher/storefront" or equivalent. That is clearly a troll since EGS is not even close to feature parity with other storefronts, is more expensive than other storefronts, and can't even be used in China. At best it's a selfish (fuck you, got mine) or vastly uninformed opinion.
TLDR: Just because you can use EGS without issue, millions of people cannot.
I think where you are a bit misguided is this thought process that the PC must adhere to different rules. An open platform will still have predatory practices because at the end of the day it's all about money.
Valve has all the money they need but stopped making traditional games, so were they thinking of us the gamers? No, they were thinking of the PC platform and Linux support. That's great for those who use Linux but how does that entertain me because at the end of the day that's what videogames are, a form of entertainment. That is why console makers get away with exclusvity deals, poach outside talent and coerce them to their platform.
People will seek out content on consoles, why would the PC be any different especilaly when no additional hardware is required?
The attitude even when Epic does invest in stusios like Psyonix were you happy about it? Of course not because you want every game on the PC platform to be open to your satisfaction. Thats in itself is not a reasonable expectation any longer. Not when Steam controls likely 80% of the revenue out there.
So much like how console makers thought they had to use money to leverage outside parties to their system Epic thinks it has to too because of just how popular Steam is. Of course Epic could make its store better and they will but will you be happy if Epic is as good as Steam at the end of the day if they still get exclusive deals? No, and that's where I think you are misguided. I agree Epic needs to do better but they are perfectly free and legal to do what they are doing and videogames have never been about the customer first and foremost. Content will always be the priority to gamers.
It's not supported until the timed exclusivity is over.
So no, it's not supported right now.
If at this point you still think it is just opening another launcher you are being wilfully ignorant of the actual issues or you could not give less of a fuck about the people actually affected meaningfully by Epic buying exclusivity. Neither is a good look for you.
People who backed the game can't get it on Steam at launch, so no it isn't supported.
It was not supported when it was in development either because it was not out, so what? Nowhere they said on steam D1. They are planning to support and the logo is there.
Deal with it
It was. And even more. And rightfully so. People rooting for a company not keeping their promise after taking money can fuck off.
That is a completely and utterly stupid statement when dealing with anti-consumer corporate bullshit.
Yes it was, it was promised Steam release on day 1. Now it will probably be day 365 due to, what I assume will be a 1 year exclusivity.
Wait it's fig? Why would anyone cancel over this, aren't you an actual money earning investor if you use fig? Sounds like a non issue as long as the investors get paid.
That was bullshit too. Kickstarter games wouldn't exist without ordinary people trusting the developers word to deliver X, and going back on your word after taking people's money is a serious dick move.
Legal? Sure. Understandable? Depending on the circumstances, perhaps. Still a dick move? Absolutely.
Imagine living in China, having the game announced for Steam then told you gotta wait an extra year because the devs wanted more money upfront while others can play it in that time.
First reply is correct. Those who are interested enough in a game to fund the game long before release should be able to buy it from another store easily. It's not like they went from PC to PS4. The few who can't will presumably get refunds.
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Welp, I was looking forward to playing this while waiting for The Outer Worlds to hit Steam.
EGS is really helping me to save money.
EGS is really helping me to save money.
I usually expect an awful post whenever I see your username/avatar but this one is especially stupid, even for you.
I would be SHOCKED if this was the case.
Did I say it was pro consumer?
I just said they can do that and technically they did not promise it. There is a difference.
I would say to call an Idie studio corporate it's overkill.
Nobody is defending Epic here
You can buy games in Asia, but they'll be priced in USD and not properly adjusted for local purchasing power. Which in my country, in some cases, means paying 3-6 dollars more for a game, other times it means 5-10 dollars more. And if you don't have a credit card, you can't purchase a game (many people here use convenience store kiosks to buy Steam wallet funds with cash).
Wait that's not true. They're not in China, because Tencent. And they're not in Iran and NK. And they're everwhere else. I won't pretend to be up on this as much as other people, but I believe their new payment availability actually supports Middle East more than Steam. But I could be wrong totally. It would not be out of character.
Yes, they did promise.
Jesus fucking christ some of you in these EGS threads makes me wanna jump out of a window.
Everything to defend your corporate overlords.
Yes it sucks but let's be reasonable, China is not exactly the welcome party to begin with when it comes to videogames so to put the blame on Epic is not entirely fair. Steam has been around for how many years? It wasn't officially supported in China until last June. Epic will get there if Valve was able to.
Ahh I see, thanks for clarifying. And man, that sounds so ridiculous.
And yet you decide to root for the people taking money and lying.
It's not even about an exclusivity here, it's about taking the money and just saying fuck off. Yet you seem to think people should "deall with it"
"Consume and shut up" "Buy, dont think".
Your thinking is why this industry fuckin sucks on multiple level and is terrible at consumer rights.
It's so disappointing too. They were looking like the a24 of games for a little bit there.
Edit or more accurately the Annapurna of games I guess.
PC is different because PC gamers want it to be and are willing to fight for it.
If i'm not wrong, this is more like a first person RPG, kinda like modern Fallout.
Edit: Nvm, thought it was worlds instead of wilds lol
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Unfortunately that's also skipping Steam.
That's Outer Worlds
Still not as objectionable as the guy who piped up to accuse Epic of racial bias, of all things.
Back on topic: Is there any indication that refunds won't be offered to aggrieved backers who don't plan to use the EGS or who play on Linux? Because that seems like the key issue here. Refunds MUST be offered to those who want them.
We keep going around and around the subject, they promised to support Steam, they are doing so. Exacly like when they say they support any other platform ( Eg switch releases/PSV releases) with a delay. You are getting the game, just 6 moths later.
Still shitty, but they can do it
Please, spare me the morality discussion. If this really were about morality you would have zero games in your library between the shit this industry does in every single game