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Out of these picks, which has the best ARPG combat of this gen?
- Thread starter Rurouni
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Bloodborne and nothing else on that list even comes close. Makes me hope that we get some performance boosts for it on PS5.
A man can dream right?
A man can dream right?
Bloodborne is #1 by a wide margin amongst these.
But FFVII:Remake combat is a perfect evolution of the ATB, and was the most surprisingly good for me. Really hope future FF games use a similar system.
But FFVII:Remake combat is a perfect evolution of the ATB, and was the most surprisingly good for me. Really hope future FF games use a similar system.
Bloodborne is a masterpiece. FFVIIR is a surprisingly good reimagining of the original. Nioh is tight and simple, but enemies aren't that good imo.
I loathed MH:W and it made me rage so hard at times. And Automata is sadly a bit boring and poorly balanced.
I loathed MH:W and it made me rage so hard at times. And Automata is sadly a bit boring and poorly balanced.
For me FFVII relates so well to classic JRPG sensibilities with the way skills and magic are utilized into the action, and the fact that you can maintain an incredible amount of freedom across an entire party during such frantic action is awesome.
Bloodborne is easily one of my favorite games ever, and I love it to death, but its combat doesn't have the relation to what I think of when I think of what I want in RPGs. I'm not very good at action games typically and I barely hang in there with Souls games because of my passion for them, and they definitely lean slightly closer to a technical feat of understanding and using game mechanics such as character action games (a genre I'm entirely inadequate at) or even fighting games. While you have to learn FFVIIs mechanics I can confidently say as someone who isn't very good at action games, I can be very good at FFVII and I think that's because once you understand its flow, there's a lot of room for imagination and preferences to how to tackle encounters.
Now for the actual engagements, Bloodborne shits all over FFVII. FFVII doesn't have near the variety of encounters, the way the encounters are designed into the levels isn't as organic, and FFVII is constantly willing to show how poorly they implemented aerial encounters and camerawork just because it can. Despite these shortcomings, for the other reasons I've stated I like FFVII more. It's seriously what I think of when I think of the future for action based JRPGs, whereas FFXV before it had been a big pile of barf for the future of JRPGs to me.
Edit: Only other one I've played is Automata, which is so generic and boring I don't even know why it was put on this poll.
Bloodborne is easily one of my favorite games ever, and I love it to death, but its combat doesn't have the relation to what I think of when I think of what I want in RPGs. I'm not very good at action games typically and I barely hang in there with Souls games because of my passion for them, and they definitely lean slightly closer to a technical feat of understanding and using game mechanics such as character action games (a genre I'm entirely inadequate at) or even fighting games. While you have to learn FFVIIs mechanics I can confidently say as someone who isn't very good at action games, I can be very good at FFVII and I think that's because once you understand its flow, there's a lot of room for imagination and preferences to how to tackle encounters.
Now for the actual engagements, Bloodborne shits all over FFVII. FFVII doesn't have near the variety of encounters, the way the encounters are designed into the levels isn't as organic, and FFVII is constantly willing to show how poorly they implemented aerial encounters and camerawork just because it can. Despite these shortcomings, for the other reasons I've stated I like FFVII more. It's seriously what I think of when I think of the future for action based JRPGs, whereas FFXV before it had been a big pile of barf for the future of JRPGs to me.
Edit: Only other one I've played is Automata, which is so generic and boring I don't even know why it was put on this poll.
Yeah, I vote FF7 Remake too. I don't get why this forum is so attached to Bloodborne.. I get it, I even platinumed the game and got Old Hunter, but it is not this great untouchable masterpiece, combat feels good but it is not nearly as polished or complex, or even taste good like 7 Remake, that is genuinely the best battle system Square ever done in the last decade.
This is a great writeup and really closely mirrors how I feel. FFVII:Remake was the PERFECT action JRPG system imo. It is satisfying, stylish, and strategic without overwhelming the player with mechanical precision. It really feels like a true next step forward for FF combat design after so many years of failed experiments between FFX->VII:Remake.
Monster Hunter World has the best combat of those. It builds its entire experience around combat. The weapon variety is awesome, hit detection is great and the many different bosses makes it feel very refreshing.
From what I've played:
Nioh > Bloodborne >> Nier = Remake >>> doing something unpleasant like driving while exhausted >>>> an actual fucking migraine >∞> Monster Hunter
Nioh > Bloodborne >> Nier = Remake >>> doing something unpleasant like driving while exhausted >>>> an actual fucking migraine >∞> Monster Hunter
I've played all of them except FF VII:R (which is on my to-do list).
The only one that's easy to filter out for me here is Nier: Automata, I loved the game <3, but the combat is not on the same level as the other games.
I picked Bloodborne as I think it has such a great flow to it with some very different and varied playstyles to experiment with. Enemies/bosses are a big part of the combat and Bloodborne is unmatched here. Game of the Generation!
MHW is my most played game this generation with 500+ hours. It is incedible on all levels, but I just like combat better in Bloodborne.
Nioh has a fantastic combat system, but again I just prefer Bloodborne.
These are not really games I tend to compare and I thoroughly enjoyed all of them.
The only one that's easy to filter out for me here is Nier: Automata, I loved the game <3, but the combat is not on the same level as the other games.
I picked Bloodborne as I think it has such a great flow to it with some very different and varied playstyles to experiment with. Enemies/bosses are a big part of the combat and Bloodborne is unmatched here. Game of the Generation!
MHW is my most played game this generation with 500+ hours. It is incedible on all levels, but I just like combat better in Bloodborne.
Nioh has a fantastic combat system, but again I just prefer Bloodborne.
These are not really games I tend to compare and I thoroughly enjoyed all of them.
It's a toss up between Nioh and Bloodborne. Personally Nioh edges Bloodborne out by having more combat options, and introducing more exciting new mechanics with the ki system.
FF7 and Nier are both flashy and enjoyable enough but both are a bit mashy, and don't have a ton of depth. Though I will say that with FF7 the combat was good enough to keep me engaged despite some major gripes I had with other aspects of the game.
I get why people like Monster Hunter combat, but i really disliked what I experienced of it. It's probably my fault for not optimizing or whatever, but it just feels so ineffectual to smack enemies for minutes to take them down.
FF7 and Nier are both flashy and enjoyable enough but both are a bit mashy, and don't have a ton of depth. Though I will say that with FF7 the combat was good enough to keep me engaged despite some major gripes I had with other aspects of the game.
I get why people like Monster Hunter combat, but i really disliked what I experienced of it. It's probably my fault for not optimizing or whatever, but it just feels so ineffectual to smack enemies for minutes to take them down.
Having played all of them, it's easily Nioh. Like not even close. The game is janky as fuck and the overall experience is less polished than all of them sans Nier but it's got the best combat. Nioh also beats Sekiro too, on variety alone. The only potential contender I haven't played is KH3's DLC (only played base game at launch).
Nioh's combat is absolutely incredible, it's complexity is brushing up against Character Action Game levels.
Bloodborne is great, but it just does not have the same levels of minute to minute decision making from the player.
Bloodborne is great, but it just does not have the same levels of minute to minute decision making from the player.
Probably Nioh has the *best* combat out of those, but I found Bloodborne to be far more enjoyable. Nioh was a bit over-complex for me with the switching stances and stamina regain.
The patch plus pro codes makes the normal game and Remind scenario good for sure, but the data bosses are where everything actually comes together and even surpasses KH2
First thought reading the title was KH3 post Re:Mind. I am biased tho'. But seriously those boss fights are master class.
From the list though. Bloodborne. I need to replay that game someday.
From the list though. Bloodborne. I need to replay that game someday.
That's an interesting selection of games. Bloodborne and Nioh toe-to-toe, and then all the rest faaaaaaaaar away.
Nier and FF7 have some cool bossfights but that's about it.
The rest are all pretty top tier, but for me, interesting combat requires interesting enemies. And Nioh, at least the first one, does not have many. As good as it can look at feel, nothing pushes you in the way a tough monster in MHW or boss in Bloodborne, at least not in the frequency or intensity. So it's one of those two. I'd probably give it to MHW even if calling it an action RPG is a bit of a stretch.
The rest are all pretty top tier, but for me, interesting combat requires interesting enemies. And Nioh, at least the first one, does not have many. As good as it can look at feel, nothing pushes you in the way a tough monster in MHW or boss in Bloodborne, at least not in the frequency or intensity. So it's one of those two. I'd probably give it to MHW even if calling it an action RPG is a bit of a stretch.
What differentiates Sekiro from Bloodborne? The fact that you can level up certain stats in BB? You can level up your attack power and health in Sekiro. Would it be different if they called these stats VIT and STR instead? (I'm not trolling, seriously interested in the differentiation.)
Bloodborne is probably my favourite console game this generation but Nioh 2' s combat is miles better and deeper.
Surely the hot illegible mess that is the poise system disqualifies it.
not sure what you mean with poise bullshit
if you mean the fact that it doesn't copy dark souls 1 extremely busted and bad poise system (which seems to be a point of contention for many) then that is an extremely good thing
Bloodborne followed by Nioh. I just wish Nioh was a better game, had more exploration and discovery ala souls. The weight of Bloodborne is phenomenal though.
Genshin Impact was robbed.
(I just started, but it seems like the battle system has a ton of potential with character switching)
(I just started, but it seems like the battle system has a ton of potential with character switching)
Of course. Both games can have bad poise systems in their own unique way.
It's just in DS3 that you're never quite sure if your attack will go through or if you were one frame off, and you're about to get stunlocked. Probably for a long time. Possibly by an enemy with a teeny tiny dagger while you're in heavy armor.
Looking at the poll's results shows that people around here prefer easy to master combat systems. The poll should have its resultd completely reversed if we were indeed talking about the possibilities that you can do with the combat...
Kh3 is also missing from the list, but it would probably have no votes either lol...
Kh3 is also missing from the list, but it would probably have no votes either lol...
FF7 is the best take on modernizing turn based gameplay in a JRPG I think.
Niohs is great but mostly wasted on it being so loot and grind based so you'll almost never get the chance to actually make use of it properly when you can buff and kill enemies in seconds.
Bloodbornes is great.
Automata has a shitty attempt at hack and slash elements. Probably the weakest of the bunch.
Niohs is great but mostly wasted on it being so loot and grind based so you'll almost never get the chance to actually make use of it properly when you can buff and kill enemies in seconds.
Bloodbornes is great.
Automata has a shitty attempt at hack and slash elements. Probably the weakest of the bunch.
Nioh, Bloodborne has better encounter and boss design, but actual combat Nioh just does a similar combat style better, with much more to it on top. Bloodborne is much better in almost every other way (except also performance), but that's not the question.
