And as if a sizeable portion of the gaming community won't lash out wildly if devs have to make changes to already revealed parts of the game during development.
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Out of respect for developers, think we should avoid posting and sharing game leaks for now.
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And as if a sizeable portion of the gaming community won't lash out wildly if devs have to make changes to already revealed parts of the game during development.
This.
Having the information only when the big companies want you to have is pretty awful and it shouldn´t be like that.
If some devs gets sad because of some leaks, that´s fine. They still will get their money when the game sells.
Leaks are leaks, just because your game leaks (whatever that game maybe) should be treated like any other leak. That goes for anything. There is a large portion of the community here that loves that.
We come from a community that was leak central. We were born from leaks
We come from a community that was leak central. We were born from leaks
Leaks are news and media products aren't owed anything. The OP connecting it to current events is also quite bizarre and in slightly poor taste.
One day or another, their game will be released and everything will be spoiled. It's not a situation where there's an outcome they want to avoid at all costs (their game being shown). On day one, you can be sure any game will have its ending on Youtube.
Look, I'm not saying don't talk about stuff, but revealing games before they're ready to be shown is a disaster, because gamers have no clue about what a typical dev cycle looks like and how drastically games change before completion.
Seeing a game before its ready, or has its marketing push planned, can literally bankrupt companies and put people out of work.
That said, the people who really have to take responsibility for this are the very few people who actually bring the leaks to the public, not the public for discussing them. So it's not really on anyone here to abide by anything.
Stop framing video game leaks in the context of a movement against racism. It's ridiculous.
This is a very transparent effort here to protect the feelings of spoiler sensitive fanboys and secondly the marketing plans of their favourite publishers.
Developers would be best served by more money and time with their families instead of crunch.
Definitely a ridiculous thread but it also shows how some ERA users perceive the relative importance of racism and police brutality vs. video game leaks.
This is a very transparent effort here to protect the feelings of spoiler sensitive fanboys and secondly the marketing plans of their favourite publishers.
Developers would be best served by more money and time with their families instead of crunch.
Definitely a ridiculous thread but it also shows how some ERA users perceive the relative importance of racism and police brutality vs. video game leaks.
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One thing that's kinda a bummer about this place sometimes, is that someone will create a bad thread in ignorantly good faith, or with their heart seemingly in the right place, and then you'll just see them get relentlessly piled on by people saying the same things for page after page.
I get that some of that is just a function of the pace at which the posting here moves, along with tons of people not reading the entire thread to see if their $0.02 was already mentioned, but man it just makes me wince.
I get that some of that is just a function of the pace at which the posting here moves, along with tons of people not reading the entire thread to see if their $0.02 was already mentioned, but man it just makes me wince.
As someone who writes game news every day, all I can say to this is... what?
imagine journalism without leaks. imagine if every journalist ever thought 'im not gonna leak this, company x or political figure x will announce it in due time'.
i thought this was a left forum?
And this is without getting into the strange connection with the real world stuff thats going on right now.
i know you meant well OP, but I can't agree with this at all.
imagine journalism without leaks. imagine if every journalist ever thought 'im not gonna leak this, company x or political figure x will announce it in due time'.
i thought this was a left forum?
And this is without getting into the strange connection with the real world stuff thats going on right now.
i know you meant well OP, but I can't agree with this at all.
Couldn't you just apply this across the board? How is the situation less problematic for developers than at other times? Why not have no leaks whatsoever? To be honest, I would be happy enough just to see some footage of ps5 games leaked, or even better Sony just showed the footage for their games and forgot about their conference. I know that makes no sense from a marketing perspective, but just to say I am just interested in seeing the games really. The presentation is largely fluff to me, although I enjoy the build up.
Thing is, your personal preference is not what dictates the news, thankfully. I dont mean it in a bad way, its just that news is news, the end. Publications aren't going to stop posting things that are out there. It goes against their job.
This, then I can just ignore the whole thread, but titles sometimes give away some information too though.
I get that leaks are/can be harmful, and I sorta see the argument that a bit more compassion towards developers in this regard could go a long way, especially now, but I just can't agree with outright banning them altogether. Whether it's what happened with TLOU2, or with Shadow of the Tomb Raider where some dude just accessed his top secret unannounced game documents on public transport, or what invariably happens with most Ubisoft games see for example Mario + Rabbids, or even every single Pokemon game which will inevitably leak every single Pokemon before launch (and not so inconspicuously here never seems to result in any sort of outcry on behalf of the devs but I digress) leaks will always happen and they will spread like wildfire.
At that point, you got 2 choices for a site like this if you're gonna ban it/them. Either you do a blanket ban of everything, which quite clearly would be extremely unpopular and even more difficult to uphold I would imagine, or you ban leaks based on the unique circumstances/severity, which again would prove difficult as what is important to some users will be trivial to others and thus just lead to endless quibbling over which leaks should be permitted for discussion or not.
Sounds like a bad idea. The leak is out there regardless and all that is accomplished is having a very, very, very small part of the Internet needing to stay silent on something everyone else is talking about for little tangible benefit.
At that point, you got 2 choices for a site like this if you're gonna ban it/them. Either you do a blanket ban of everything, which quite clearly would be extremely unpopular and even more difficult to uphold I would imagine, or you ban leaks based on the unique circumstances/severity, which again would prove difficult as what is important to some users will be trivial to others and thus just lead to endless quibbling over which leaks should be permitted for discussion or not.
Sounds like a bad idea. The leak is out there regardless and all that is accomplished is having a very, very, very small part of the Internet needing to stay silent on something everyone else is talking about for little tangible benefit.
I think you mistake what I was saying, probably because it was badly phrased. I was just extending his argument. I don't agree with it.. I am happy to hear leaks precisely because marketing drags things out. For obvious reasons it has been even worse in that regard during the lockdown.
ah sorry, my bad. Whenever the subject moves to what journalism should and shouldnt cover, I get kinda passionate about it. Even if Im 'just' covering games lol. The way journalism works is a big deal for me. So i jumped the gun a bit on your post -though I didnt mean in it an angry way - and see that now. My apologies!
I appreciate that. I think there is a world of difference between the kind of leaks that hackers have done for say TLoU2, and the stuff that say Schrerr does.
Noble sentiment but I think it's really down to the individual if they want to view any leaked materials. I don't think that stopping posting them will achieve anything, people will always leak things and others will always choose whether or not to view them whether here or elsewhere.
Plus there's a difference between the types of leaks out there. For example when the original PS3 slim was leaked I think it was more to show people that there was a new model coming out and wasn't meant as a 'fuck you' to Sony. Same with all the leaks that were coming out around the unveiling of the Switch, I think that was genuine excitement about what Nintendo were working on. On the flip side the recent leaks from TLoU2 seem more spiteful to me, an attempt to spoil the game for people and piss off the developers. Maybe that's just me though!
Plus there's a difference between the types of leaks out there. For example when the original PS3 slim was leaked I think it was more to show people that there was a new model coming out and wasn't meant as a 'fuck you' to Sony. Same with all the leaks that were coming out around the unveiling of the Switch, I think that was genuine excitement about what Nintendo were working on. On the flip side the recent leaks from TLoU2 seem more spiteful to me, an attempt to spoil the game for people and piss off the developers. Maybe that's just me though!
There is a big difference between existence of secret project being leaked to spoilers for game being posted online.
I mean...that's the problem people are pointing out.... this just perpetuates that.
Incomplete game leaks sure, though not because of anything related to the current situation, but just in general be mindful of artists who don't want incomplete work shown. (Even then there are valid reasons to still leak and publish)
PR leaks, ehh. There aren't even physical events whose work get diminished. Who cares if something releases days earlier or later.
PR leaks, ehh. There aren't even physical events whose work get diminished. Who cares if something releases days earlier or later.
Bro, I don't need you guys getting all pedantic about this. I also don't necessarily agree with OP, I'm just refuting the stupid assertion that videogame leaks only bother execs and marketing departments. It was a silly comment that needed calling out. Nothing more.
What gave it away every word of it carefully selected to be a joke? Or the punctuation
Ah..I thought you were serious, though some people might think it to not be a joke.. very worrisome
I would personally never reveal someone else's secrets so i would never leak something but i love reading leaks lol. Pre release hype never affected me anyway, i may find a trailer exciting like breakpoint's but it is the least thing that will make me buy a game, i never bought breakpoint.
I don't think people should be swayed by marketing hype that much anyway so i don't think leaks are bad.
I don't think people should be swayed by marketing hype that much anyway so i don't think leaks are bad.