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This came across my timeline and thought it was thread worthy.



My nephew played Fortnite. Whenever he lost, he would scream that the other player was a hacker, and refused to hear otherwise. I and his uncle are lifelong gamers. When we tried to explain that he needed to get better, he grew so angry with us that he began to hit us. When we tried to explain that he was 7 and didn't necessarily have the physical response time as someone else, he would simply scream that we were calling him 'bad' and run away. When we tried to explain that he was playing on a Switch and Ninja on a keyboard and mouse so Ninja would have different response times, he would tell us we were 'stupid idiots who didn't know what we were talking about'. He would get so angry at the very idea that he lost that it was impossible for him to get better. He would throw his Switch. He would punch things. He would hit his brother. He was a child who had no nuanced understanding of his rage.

When we found out that he watched Ninja, my partner and I IMMEDIATELY banned him from watching Ninja ever again. He threw a giant tantrum and hated us and refused to listen to us. He said Ninja was the 'best gamer ever'. But once we banned Ninja, he calmed down. He was able to rationalise his losses. He watched YouTubers we recommended (because they were calm and taught people). And you know what? That's when he got better at the game. Now when he loses Fortnite he sits down for a solid minute and thinks 'Could I have won?' and if the answer is 'No', he shrugs and goes back to playing. If the answer is 'Yes', then he will write down what he should have done so he can remember it.

Our nephew's emotional and mental health improved dramatically when we banned Ninja from his life.

Really speaks to the influence these creators have on their young audience.
 

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It genuinely frightens me how many young children are just absorbing hours of YouTube and twitch.
 

Hanbei

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Children should not grow up watching this person do his "things". Same goes for many Twitch / YouTube personalities. They are not to be considered models by kids.
 
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I think a lot of people's mental health would improve. I'm always surprised though when I remember just how much influence streamers can have on people, especially children.
 
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Teh_Lurv

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The above account puts more context on the criticisms people are giving Ninja for his recent comments:

www.resetera.com

Ninja: Not getting angry after losing suggests a 'weak mindset'

https://twitter.com/i/events/1230155894526136320 Ninja says that not getting angry after losing suggests a 'weak mindset' The streamer received backlash after suggesting that gamers have a "weak mindset" if they do not get angry after losing: "When you stop getting angry after losing, you’ve...

I understand the point he is (rather inarticulately) trying to convey, but such nuance is lost among his younger audience.
 

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I've never thought about that. Kids from abusive homes normalizing the Zany Angry Internet Man's behaviour.
 

elzeus

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I wouldn't let my kids ever watch streamers at a young age (especially ones that rage) or the tv show Caillou...
 

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Disturbing. I wonder if lessons about letting kids roam the internet without guidance will be learned by the time the first internet-raised generations grow up.
 

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Young children shouldn't be consuming hours of YouTube and twitch anyway. Parents are failing their kids by letting that happen.
 
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That mother fucker.

I've never thought about that. Kids from abusive homes normalizing the Zany Angry Internet Man's behaviour.

I guess my mind goes towards another point of - Is this the same as how music was treated in the 80s and 90s when parents blamed rock and hip hop for "radicalizing the youth"?

I feel like its not, but the parallels are there it seems.
 

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It genuinely frightens me how many young children are just absorbing hours of YouTube and twitch.
Yep. You best believe I am going to regulate the fuck out of that shit when I have kids. I'm pretty sure it'll be a complete ban without my presence at least until they reach puberty.
 

Prime2

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I have trouble believing that he watched ninja because Ninjas behaviour resembled his father..... That feels like a real reach there.
 

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That mother fucker.



I guess my mind goes towards another point of - Is this the same as how music was treated in the 80s and 90s when parents blamed rock and hip hop for "radicalizing the youth"?

I feel like its not, but the parallels are there it seems.

I think the (usually false?) intimacy of fan/streamer interactions is something that really seperates out influencers and streamers from more nebulous media concepts like rock'n'roll or violent video games or whatever. It's much closer to being influenced by bad friends than it is to simply consuming media imho
 

bionic77

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Youtube is garbage, thats not just limited to Ninja.

Nickelodeon is like Shakespeare next to most of the crap that is created on YT. The good stuff usually has like 500 views...

Not sure why so many parents give their kids access to YT at such young ages.
 

MrHedin

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To me this kind of feels like a correlation does not imply causation. How many of us have played online with someone, kid or adult, who just go full tilt when something isn't going their way? I don't know the kid's situation and I hope he and his family are getting help but "abusive father" seems much more likely to cause rage issues than watching a streamer.
 

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I have trouble believing that he watched ninja because Ninjas behaviour resembled his father..... That feels like a real reach there.

It's more that he shouldn't be watching a man validate himself by getting stupid angry because he's already been exposed to that brand of poison.
 

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It genuinely frightens me how many young children are just absorbing hours of YouTube and twitch.
Not to me, this is the modern equivalent of "Too much tv" (Not on a dismissive sense, after all, too much of anything IS a problem)

Cable is not as popular as it used to be, youtube/twitch on the other hand, are more and more the main focus. So those who would be spending all day watching tv years ago, are doing it on the internet now.

In other words, it should be expected for this to happen, and as such, we must be ready to properly control it so the kids don't get negative repercussions.
 

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I watch a lot of YouTube, but I think I missed the age where it became my entire life. I probably watch maybe 1-2 hours of youtube daily. When I was a kid though, I wasn't much better. I was on chat rooms and xbox live parties/lobbies on the 360 for 18 hours a day playin GRAW, Saints Row 1 Halo 3, etc. I lived on xbox live. It was more my life than I care to admit. My poor launch system stood no chance.
 

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My little brothers exist on the internet more than I ever did, doing nothing but consuming content from YouTube. It's fucking frightening.
Yeah there is literally zero accountability. At least back when most of us were kids there were FCC guidelines and E/I rules for broadcast networks and cable networks still operated with Standards and Practices to keep advertisers.
 

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Doesn't surprise me. I have only viewed very little of Ninja but I've always seen him act so childish anytime he loses.
 

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All those kids in the 90's and 00's who broke a controller in anger, turned off the console mid match and stormed out of the room. Clearly influenced by Ninja.

When will this man's reign of terror end?!?
 

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Gamer YouTubers are generally shit. If I had children I would not let them use YouTube unsupervised. There's far too much damaging content on there.
 

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All those kids in the 90's and 00's who broke a controller in anger, turned off the console mid match and stormed out of the room. Clearly influenced by Ninja.

When will this man's reign of terror end?!?

You're right if problems existed prior then dealing with them now is poppycock.
 
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Yeah there is literally zero accountability. At least back when most of us were kids there were FCC guidelines and E/I rules for broadcast networks and cable networks still operated with Standards and Practices to keep advertisers.

Not to mention that it was so new and so inaccessible that being a toxic dickhead for views wasn't as popular of a thing as it is now.
 

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Not to me, this is the modern equivalent of "Too much tv" (Not on a dismissive sense, after all, too much of anything IS a problem)

Cable is not as popular as it used to be, youtube/twitch on the other hand, are more and more the main focus. So those who would be spending all day watching tv years ago, are doing it on the internet now.

In other words, it should be expected for this to happen, and as such, we must be ready to properly control it so the kids don't get negative repercussions.
One difference is that youtune and twitch have no filters at all. I mean they do have regulations, but nothing that can't slip out.
 

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All those kids in the 90's and 00's who broke a controller in anger, turned off the console mid match and stormed out of the room. Clearly influenced by Ninja.

When will this man's reign of terror end?!?
If you could break a Genesis or SNES controller as a kid you were probably on roids which I would assume was the real cause of their problem if they were able to break those things.
 

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The FCC did in fact make A tiny modicum of difference between admittedly unwholesome TV in the 90s/oughts, and the wild west of youtube now, so I'm not surprised.

That said, even as this story shows, it's about the adult influences and guiding children away from bullshit like that/correcting their false notions.
 
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Fortnite is rated "T for Teen"
We are here blaming a 7 year olds temper tantrums from a T rated game on an adult streamer. When do the adults that let the 7 year old play a game he's not mentally mature enough to play become accountable?
 
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Fortnite is rated "T for Teen"
We are here blaming a 7 year olds temper tantrums from a T rated game on an adult streamer. When do the adults that let the 7 year old play a game he's not mentally mature enough to play become accountable?

Yes, a fantasy battle royale game is teaching young emotionally abused kids to act out. Great observation.

Obviously sarcasm
 

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" Now when he loses Fortnite he sits down for a solid minute and thinks 'Could I have won?' and if the answer is 'No', he shrugs and goes back to playing. If the answer is 'Yes', then he will write down what he should have done so he can remember it. "

That is amazing and adorable
 

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" Now when he loses Fortnite he sits down for a solid minute and thinks 'Could I have won?' and if the answer is 'No', he shrugs and goes back to playing. If the answer is 'Yes', then he will write down what he should have done so he can remember it. "

That is amazing and adorable
Not angry enough, not going to amount to anything in life.
 

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Fortnite is rated "T for Teen"
We are here blaming a 7 year olds temper tantrums from a T rated game on an adult streamer. When do the adults that let the 7 year old play a game he's not mentally mature enough to play become accountable?
He's obviously mentally mature enough to play considering his change? Most adults don't even ask themselves "could i have won? no? oh well." and move on to the next match.
 
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Yes, a fantasy battle royale game is teaching young emotionally abused kids to act out. Great observation.

Obviously sarcasm
The game is rated as suitable for players 13+ because of its violence and also warns of player to player interactions. A 7 year old kid shouldn't be playing Fortnite. And the aunt and uncle from the tweet don't address this correctly. They blame Ninja, find other streamers for the 7 year old to watch and continue to let the 7 year old play a game that is rated as suitable for teenagers. There are many other things the 7 year old should be doing with their free time... This is on the adults involved.
 

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The game is rated as suitable for players 13+ because of its violence and also warns of player to player interactions. A 7 year old kid shouldn't be playing Fortnite,. And the aunt and uncle from the tweet don't address this correctly. They blame Ninja, find other streamers for the 7 year old to watch and continue to let the 7 year old play a game that is rated as suitable for teenagers. There are many other things the 7 year old should be doing with their free time... This is on the adults involved.

Nobody is blaming Ninja for being a raging manchild. They decided that his content was unsuited towards their nephew because of his past history dealing with his abusive father, and the idea of validating angry emotional outbursts.