The Potentially Revolutionary Celera 500L Aircraft Officially Breaks Cover
Otto Aviation aims to disrupt the aviation landscape with a design that flies at jet speeds, but uses a fraction of the gas, and has more range.
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Otto Aviation new aircraft is potentially revolutionary
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That's my thought lol. That would be revolutionary in that space.
This sounds incredible, where's the catch?
Yeah that's a massive drop off on fuel costs I wanna know what's different about this.
This sounds incredible, where's the catch?
LOL, my first thought when I saw it: "Paint it gray and it looks like something Red Skull would have flown in the Captain America movie".
Seems like a pretty small plane, so don't expect planes that fly hundreds of people out with this kind of plane tech
This sounds incredible, where's the catch?
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They are comparing it to charter jets, which hold six to eight people.
A single diesel piston engine is going to get much better efficiency than twin jet turbines. This thing will never be rated for open water because of that.
Also rich people don't give a fuck and would rather have the redundancy and performance of jet engines.
Also rich people don't give a fuck and would rather have the redundancy and performance of jet engines.
they're comparing it to similarly sized business jets, not 200-passenger commercial jets. so i don't know, how does math work?
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Still seems like they want to push it as an alternative to commercial travel that most people use though
It says a comparable business class jet. (So basically a small private jet/charter). I imagine a 757 gets way worse than 3mpg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_aircraft
Well, 737s and other airliners are around 80 - 100 mpg per passenger (~0.5 mpg * 200 passengers), and this looks to be around 120 mpg per passenger if I'm doing the math right. The airliners benefit from certain efficiencies of scale, so the Otto getting that kind of efficiency while going that fast while being that small is extremely impressive.
This might be one of the best moments in a long time to sell a small commercial airplane, good luck finding enough pilots though.
Well, 737s and other airliners are around 80 - 100 mpg per passenger (~0.5 mpg * 200 passengers), and this looks to be around 120 mpg per passenger if I'm doing the math right. The airliners benefit from certain efficiencies of scale, so the Otto getting that kind of efficiency while going that fast while being that small is extremely impressive.
This might be one of the best moments in a long time to sell a small commercial airplane, good luck finding enough pilots though.
Big-tube commercial aviation is poised to be a rolling shitshow for a good number of years going. I've seen some voices mention that small aviation is actually a better bet in the short-to-mid term. IF they can get costs down, like Otto Aviation claim.
Others have pointed out why this isn't correct but (with the right numbers) it's actually a useful way to look at it.
To compare fairly we can use passenger mpg. The average commercial airline gets about 64 and the best (Norwegian) gets 103.
These planes claim to get 108-150 passenger mpg on a full flight. It'll be less in practice but it still stacks up very well.
The catch is it's super niche and still won't be accessible to normal people for a reasonable rate whatsoever is my guess. So it's basically meaningless for pretty much anyone outside the elite.
This sounds incredible, where's the catch?
It's got a passenger capacity of 6. So it's really only impressive from a private jet to private jet comparison.
Actually Turboprops can reach ridiculously fast speeds, there was a military test jet back in the 50's with one where they mated a ramjet turboprop with a supersonic propeller, well the propellor broke the sound barrier... problem is the side effects to the pilot... pavement, nearby life, control tower equipment and staff, yeah. apparently an object that small on the ground putting off 3 repeated shockwaves in quick succession is extremely dangerous, caused a nearby crew chief was too close to pass out. Needless to say it was grounded after the first test flight. It is still considered the loudest aircraft ever made.Say hello to the XF-84H Thunderscreech:
There are quite a few unemployed right now due to the virus and Autopilot exists
I wonder if we'll see some version of that pop up in drones.Actually Turboprops can reach ridiculously fast speeds, there was a military test jet back in the 50's with one where they mated a ramjet turboprop with a supersonic propeller, well the propellor broke the sound barrier... problem is the side effects to the pilot... pavement, nearby life, control tower equipment and staff, yeah. apparently an object that small on the ground putting off 3 repeated shockwaves in quick succession is extremely dangerous, caused a nearby crew chief was too close to pass out. Needless to say it was grounded after the first test flight. It is still considered the loudest aircraft ever made.Say hello to the XF-84H Thunderscreech:
They were starting to reach their real potential when jets started phasing them out but there's still been experiments over the years just not many large scale ones. But there are designs that are more efficient but comparable in power to jet engines
The term is wide body and yes, we won't see a resurgence in wide body for at least 5 years minimum.
Another thing is people who uses bizjets value speed the most and bizjets usually fly higher and even faster than airliners.
This is a pretty neat concept though and hope to see more.
Honestly it's benefit is in transport as it's dual nature makes turboprops have the effiency benefits profile of both a jet and a prop plane without a loss altitude
Ah, yeah, wide-body. Though admittedly there are some large narrow-bodies (ex. A320) which are also feeling the pinch due to reduced pax numbers.
Another advantage of a plane like the Celera is the ability to operate off shorter runways, like those found at small general aviation airports, that are mostly off-limits to airliners.
EDIT: oh, spotted an interesting tidbit:
So it seems like Otto have installed Meredith effect thrusters on the radiators, like the one originally found on the P-51 Mustang.
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The Potentially Game-Changing Celera 500L Has Finished Its First Round Of Flight Tests
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The Potentially Game-Changing Celera 500L Has Finished Its First Round Of Flight Tests
The company behind this unusual design, Otto Aviation, says the tests show the aircraft is on its way to meeting very ambitious performance goals.
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