Orange Bastard (Trump) says looking at pressuring other Chinese companies after Bytedance

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Trump says looking at pressuring other Chinese companies after Bytedance

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday he could exert pressure on more Chinese companies such as technology giant Alibaba <BABA.N> after he moved to ban TikTok.

www.reuters.com

BEDMINSTER, N.J. (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday he could exert pressure on more Chinese companies such as technology giant Alibaba (BABA.N) after he moved to ban TikTok.

Asked at a news conference whether there were other particular China-owned companies he was considering a ban on, such as Alibaba, Trump replied: "Well, we're looking at other things, yes."

 

[lunarworks]

This guy's looking to fuck over every US company manufacturing in China, because they will reciprocate.

 

[Cyclonesweep]

He is going to simply fuck his own country. Again

 

[Byakuya769]

Honestly don't care about this. While the government is spiriting away religious minorities for "reeducation," strong-arming Hong Kong, imprisoning political dissenters and propping up their leader for life, there are so many other Trump actions that are going to get my attention beyond him ham handedly trying to play hardball with China.

 

[Deleted member 4452]

Honestly don't care about this. While the government is spiriting away religious minorities for "reeducation," strong-arming Hong Kong, imprisoning political dissenters and propping up their leader for life, there are so many other Trump actions that are going to get my attention beyond him ham handedly trying to play hardball with China.

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A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

 

[Mechaplum]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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Wholly agreed.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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Amen.

People aren't even ashamed to hide their ignorance anymore.

 

[Byakuya769]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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What is your proffered response for the treatment of Uighurs?

 

[SpaceCrystal]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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This. That was a very bad post Byakuya769 made.

 

[Hexa]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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There's been some indications that there's been an attempt at a pivot away from being CCP controlled since Jack Ma was kicked out of the CCP and then retired, but lets not act like Alibaba wasn't completely in bed with the CCP for quite a while. They straight up bought out news outlets in order to reform them into CCP mouthpieces. Calling them CCP controlled is still fair until they prove otherwise.

 

[Heshinsi]

What is your proffered response for the treatment of Uighurs?

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Do you honestly believe the Orange baboon is doing this to put the squeeze on China over their treatment of the Uighur people? The same Trump that floated the idea to put Muslim Americans in a database does not give a single flying fuck about Uighurs.

 

[Pet]

What is your proffered response for the treatment of Uighurs?

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Do you have any evidence this has anything to do with that?

 

[LewieP]

There's no way be doesn't at least weigh in on the Fortnite situation.

 

[subpar spatula]

In truth, regardless of what Trump says, I believe any corporation that has solid ties to the CCP needs to be investigated and sanctioned.

 

[Stop It]

Trump says looking at pressuring other Chinese companies after Bytedance

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday he could exert pressure on more Chinese companies such as technology giant Alibaba <BABA.N> after he moved to ban TikTok.

www.reuters.com

BEDMINSTER, N.J. (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Saturday he could exert pressure on more Chinese companies such as technology giant Alibaba (BABA.N) after he moved to ban TikTok.

Asked at a news conference whether there were other particular China-owned companies he was considering a ban on, such as Alibaba, Trump replied: "Well, we're looking at other things, yes."

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Trump couldn't even name another Chinese company operating in the US if they tried.

They will do what they're told. Remember when they let ZTE off because Xi told them to.

Trump will get bored soon enough when this continues to not move the election needle.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Do you honestly believe the Orange baboon is doing this to put the squeeze on China over their treatment of the Uighur people? The same Trump that floated the idea to put Muslim Americans in a database does not give a single flying fuck about Uighurs.

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He doesn't care as long as China gets it.

 

[Tsuyu]

A Japanese company is the major shareholder of Alibaba, but maybe it doesn't make a difference when you hate everything 'China'.

"Oh, but I only mean the CCP". Then F off with this yellow peril BS. Playing right into the fascist's hand.

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One interesting little known thing is a South African company invested 30+ millions for 33% stake in Tencent back in early 2000s. They are still holding 31% and sold 2% for 10billions recently.

This is Trump trying to burn the bridges beyond repair with China. Climate change, trade and everything else.

 

[UberTag]

He is going to simply fuck his own country. Again

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Irreparably fucking over the United States in any way possible is part of his marching orders from Master Vladdy.

 

[Shiloh]

For everyone in the TikTok thread who was celebrating the potential death of the platform, this is the rest of the scenario playing out.

 

[Byakuya769]

He doesn't care as long as China gets it.

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This is correct. I frankly do not care what his purposes are. I'm only interested in potential leverage that can be created for a more thoughtful diplomacy when he's gone. My point is that I don't really understand the weeping and wailing in response to antagonism directed against a government doing the things I listed above.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

This is correct. I frankly do not care what his purposes are. I'm only interested in potential leverage that can be created for a more thoughtful diplomacy when he's gone. My point is that I don't really understand the weeping and wailing in response to antagonism directed against a government doing the things I listed above.

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Your anti Chinese sentiment is duly noted

Thank you for your honesty.

 

[Contraband]

This is correct. I frankly do not care what his purposes are. I'm only interested in potential leverage that can be created for a more thoughtful diplomacy when he's gone. My point is that I don't really understand the weeping and wailing in response to antagonism directed against a government doing the things I listed above.

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I frankly do not care what your purposes are. My point is that I don't really understand the weeping and wailing in response to antagonism directed against a government that is attacking peaceful protestors, violating numerous constitutional rights, placing children and families in cages, refusing to acknowledge the reality of the global pandemic, etc.

USA! USA! USA! Right?

 

[Byakuya769]

I frankly do not care what your purposes are. My point is that I don't really understand the weeping and wailing in response to antagonism directed against a government that is attacking peaceful protestors, violating numerous constitutional rights, placing children and families in cages, refusing to acknowledge the reality of the global pandemic, etc.

USA! USA! USA! Right?

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This is a good post except the last part. Now imagine if I insinuated that you were racist because you attacked my trash government and its anti-democratic actions.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

This is a good post except the last part. Now imagine if I insinuated that you were racist because you attacked my trash government and its anti-democratic actions.

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Sure if the people the united states is comprised of one ethnicity, or predominantly one ethnicity, you might a point.

Keep pretending you're not being anti Chinese tho.

 

[Byakuya769]

Sure if the people the united states is comprised of one ethnicity, or predominantly one ethnicity, you might a point.

Keep pretending you're not being anti Chinese tho.

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Yikes... downplaying ethnic diversity in China is a telling take to have.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Yikes... downplaying ethnic diversity in China is a telling take to have.

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91 percent of China's population is Han Chinese. Is 91 percent of the United States population one ethnic group?

But don't let facts stand in your way. Keep trolling and equating that criticism of the united states is an attack on American ethnicity.

Do what you got to do to let your anti Chinese hate boner be free.

 

[Hexa]

Sure if the people the united states is comprised of one ethnicity, or predominantly one ethnicity, you might a point.

Keep pretending you're not being anti Chinese tho.

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What crazy ass take is this? To be sure I'm not misunderstanding and making a mistake, are you straight up saying you can't criticize a country that is predominantly of one ethnicity without being a bigot?

91 percent of China's population is Han Chinese. Is 91 percent of the United States population one ethnic group?

But don't let facts stand in your way. Keep trolling and equating that criticism of the united states is an attack on American ethnicity.

Do what you got to do to let your anti Chinese hate boner be free.

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This isn't any better. Are you saying that attacks on a government of a country that is predominantly of a single ethnicity are inherently bigoted?

 

[Deleted member 431]

Yikes... downplaying ethnic diversity in China is a telling take to have.

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The PRC is an ethnostate that practises ethnonationalism.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

What crazy ass take is this? To be sure I'm not misunderstanding and making a mistake, are you straight up saying you can't criticize a country that is predominantly of one ethnicity without being a bigot?

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Yeah we've had sinophobia disguised as anti ccp post run around here for too long, along with other anti Asian sentiments. I'm not naive to believe people who agreed with, "As long as china gets it", is actually talking about the ccp. They either hate Chinese people or they hate the ccp enough that they have no issues with Chinese people getting shitted on as long as they can shit on the ccp.

You believe what you want, but I've had it with the sinophobia and the anti Asian sentiments.

 

[Hexa]

Yeah we've had sinophobia disguised as anti ccp post run around here for too long, along with other anti Asian sentiments. I'm not naive to believe people who agreed with, "As long as china gets it", is actually talking about the ccp. They either hate Chinese people or they hate the ccp enough that they have no issues with Chinese people getting shitted on as long as they can shit on the ccp.

You believe what you want, but I've had it with the sinophobia and the anti Asian sentiments.

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If someone is actually being racist than call them out for being racist. Trying to stifle criticism of the CCP with accusations of being racist is nonsense and reeks of what happens a lot with anyone criticizing Israel getting thrown accusations of antisemitism.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

If someone is actually being racist than call them out for being racist. Trying to stifle criticism of the CCP with accusations of being racist is nonsense and reeks of what happens a lot with anyone criticizing Israel getting thrown accusations of antisemitism.

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Read through all his post and if you still feel there's no thinly vieled anti Chinese sentiments, then there's nothing for me to discuss with you. You can then proceed to put me on ignore or report me.

 

[Byakuya769]

Read through all his post and if you still feel there's no thinly vieled anti Chinese sentiments, then there's nothing for me to discuss with you. You can then proceed to put me on ignore or report me.

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You created an insane and arbitrary definition of what's anti-Chinese that little criticism or action against its government can survive (when is criticism against a government one against a people? When there's 90% ethnic uniformity? 85%? 70%?). Meanwhile, you're silent on the actual critiques and offer no solutions for ways to foster less anti-democratic actions.

Anyone checking my post history will see that I don't shy away from criticizing my country, and certainly my piece of shit President.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

You created an insane and arbitrary definition of what's anti-Chinese that little criticism or action against its government can survive (when is criticism against a government one against a people? When there's 90% ethnic uniformity? 85%? 70%?). Meanwhile, you're silent on the actual critiques and offer no solutions for ways to foster less anti-democratic actions.

Anyone checking my post history will see that I don't shy away from criticizing my country, and certainly my piece of shit President.

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I didn't create any special ass definition to call sinophobia when I see it.

You're literally okay with being in bed with facism so you can get a one up against china. You've literally agreed to doing whatever it takes, when I was being sarcastic. If you didn't mean to come across as anti Chinese, you're appearing as one, but I very much doubt it.

And stop acting like criticizing your own country puts you above the ability to be sinophobic.

 

[Byakuya769]

I didn't create any special ass definition to call sinophobia when I see it.

You're literally okay with being in bed with facism so you can get a one up against china. You've literally agreed to doing whatever it takes, when I was being sarcastic. If you didn't mean to come across as anti Chinese, you're appearing as one, but I very much doubt it.

And stop acting like criticizing your own country puts you above the ability to be sinophobic.

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What is appropriate criticism and action towards and against the CCP?

 

[Seductivpancakes]

What is appropriate criticism and actions towards and agains the CCP?

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Not declaring doing whatever it takes to one up China is a good start. Do you even understand why that's problematic statement to agree with?

I ain't here to educate y'all. Don't put this burden on the marginalized people of this forum.

 

[Byakuya769]

Not declaring doing whatever it takes to one up China is a good start. Do you even understand why that's problematic statement to agree with?

I ain't here to educate y'all. Don't put this burden on the marginalized people of this forum.

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Lol. Ok.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Lol. Ok.

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Glad you figured it out.

 

[Deepwater]

What is appropriate criticism and action towards and against the CCP?

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Not inciting a trade war that will leave more people destitute, hungry, and poor because of the resulting recession/depression to spur change in a domestic policy that will almost inevitably result in nothing happening at all.

 

[Byakuya769]

Not inciting a trade war that will leave more people destitute, hungry, and poor because of the resulting recession/depression to spur change in a domestic policy that will almost inevitably result in nothing happening at all.

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Ignoring the exaggeration, that's what NOT to do, still silent on what to do.

 

[Deepwater]

Ignoring the exaggeration, that's what NOT to do, still silent on what to do.

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The solution is normalize trade relations and letting diplomacy work earnestly and transparently. All of your solutions would never work because USA (and it's allies) have their own human and civil rights abuses and China knows it. No hardline sanction-esque approach will work because they are literally the engine of the global economy. That may not be ideal to you but your solution will harm more lives than it will save.

 

[Byakuya769]

The solution is normalize trade relations and letting diplomacy work earnestly and transparently. All of your solutions would never work because USA (and it's allies) have their own human and civil rights abuses and China knows it. No hardline sanction-esque approach will work because they are literally the engine of the global economy. That may not be ideal to you but your solution will harm more lives than it will save.

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Normalization largely describes US policy from about 1980. The view being that economic integration would lead to stability and the growing of democratic desires over time. Instead, the arrogance of capitalism in western democracies has been shown outright. Capitalism doesn't demand or require democracy, at a certain point it may even repel it, and China and the US are now so economically entangled it's hard for diplomacy to even have relevant leverage. Diplomacy isn't sitting down and reasoning out views, there has to be some gain garnered for taking new approaches.

Regarding the US's human rights failures, I'm well aware. I'm also aware that the Soviet Union so easily being able to point out US hypocrisy in that space gave major assistance to the Civil Rights movement. The US being louder about human rights violations, allows me to flip that back on our leaders domestically—so I welcome it, not shy away from it.

I think people are conflating the Iran-US situation with the China-US one. China is an economic juggernaut, that has largely been unresponsive to human rights appeals. Iran doesnt have such power and multilateral agreements and normalization exacted more influence than the current US bullying that is explicitly costing Iranian lives.

 

[Deepwater]

Normalization largely describes US policy from about 1980. The view being that economic integration would lead to stability and the growing of democratic desires over time. Instead, the arrogance of capitalism in western democracies has been shown outright. Capitalism doesn't demand or require democracy, at a certain point it may even repel it, and China and the US are now so economically entangled it's hard for diplomacy to even have relevant leverage. Diplomacy isn't sitting down and reasoning out views, there has to be some gain garnered for taking new approaches.

Regarding the US's human rights failures, I'm well aware. I'm also aware that the Soviet Union so easily being able to point out US hypocrisy in that space gave major assistance to the Civil Rights movement. The US being louder about human rights violations, allows me to flip that back on our leaders domestically—so I welcome it, not shy away from it.

I think people are conflating the Iran-US situation with the China-US one. China is an economic juggernaut, that has largely been unresponsive to human rights appeals. Iran doesnt have such power and multilateral agreements and normalization exacted more influence than the current US bullying that is explicitly costing Iranian lives.

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if you know all that then I don't know how you can believe that a hawkish China foreign policy will work in the slightest.