I think that we are making progress towards a multi-exclusivity landscape here.
I am not sure that I like the direction that these stores are going towards. Just imagine Steam decides to follow suit....
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Operencia: The Stolen Sun exclusive to Xbox One, Windows Store (Game Pass) and Epic Games Store at launch
- Thread starter Chairmanchuck (另一个我)
- Start date
I think that we are making progress towards a multi-exclusivity landscape here.
I am not sure that I like the direction that these stores are going towards. Just imagine Steam decides to follow suit....
Don't forget about payoff requirements to influencers. That needs to be added to marketing costs and the cut.
We should get upset at that. However considering Epic started this bullshit and Valve has to respond, I don't know.
Taking high ground won't work if Epic flush with Fortnite and Tencent cash keeps moneyhatting.
You are asking answers for a scenario that hasn't happened yet. So you tell us your detailed reponse since it's your hypothetical.
I'm asking for the inevitable. If it's so easy to jump on evil megacorporation #1, why not evil megacorporation #2?
This is not an OT, this an Epic Store thread. You need to get your outrage on, son. Discuss the definition of competition, insult somebody, have fun!
Get with the programme.
It's a shitty move no matter who pulls it. Unless it comes with free hats. Then it's OK.
it doesnt. That's why they are offering moneyhats to begin with. If the cut was enough, then it would be enough.
You assume microsoft doesn't know what deals or details is made for the non windows PC version.
What is this? Preemtively accusing people of hypocrisy? What are you trying to accomplish other than creating drama? And yeah, usually the one who started some shitty thing gets the majority of the blame.
Im not event talking about non-windows PC versions, just the statement was made.
What if Microsoft buys out both Valve and Epic, and forces everyone onto the windows 10 store?
You are assuming a scenario that hasn't occurred. That's kind of wild.
If it happens I would guess people would be upset about it.
It's ironic, as this kind of game wouldn't have gone to have 7 pages of discussion on Era if it wasn't because the Epic news.
To be honest it looks bland as can be, lots of other games have been doing the exact same thing in the last few years. This one won't be missed at all by me, I'm just worried they'll pull Pinball FX from Steam one day, that would hurt.
From what I remember reading in a epic store topic a month or so ago (sorry I can't find the source :( ), the "moneyhatting" works this way: if Epic projects your game would sell a hundred thousand copies on PC in its first year, they pay the respective amount upfront for exclusivity. If you sell more on EGS, they pay you the difference. If you sell less, you get to keep the extra money. So it's a really good deal if you're not sure your game will succeed, no wonder so many devs accept it.
That business deal makes sense. I'm sure that number of copies needs to go much higher if the Valve drops their split. Sounds similar to what Microsoft might be doing to get games on Game Pass.
We get upset. Payed 3rd party exclusivity on PC is bullshit no matter who does it.
And I sure hope this doesn't start to happen as a responsive to Epic starting that shite.
I really don't want to see Valve following suit in this shit because yeah, I would be pissed. I don't want this to become the norm.
I know the struggle of indie dev and how Hungary is. I get it.
To me, my shrug was "now it's hitting me deep in my Blobber Itch". Speaking of which, going after Blobbers pretty much makes this a "catch all we can" thing isn't it?
Whew. Not a good look at all.Another developer who used Steam Features and then pulled game from Steam. Beta for this game was conducted on Steam. Also game was explicitly announced for Steam first
LMAO
This is unintentionally hilarious. Think about the (few) poor souls who will have to choose between Epic's store and Microsoft's.
I'd get upset at that too. Complete fucking garbage practise that is a ridiculous waste of money. I'd rather they don't stoop to such shit lows and continue to use their money to actually improve their platform.
That'd sucks. I want to be able to choose where I buy my game.
Btw, for the record: Valve bought Firewatch developer Campo Santo.
Firewatch is still sold on PS4/One/Switch and on other stores. In the Valley of Gods is still coming to consoles.
Because MS was somehow involved with this decision? What are you saying here?
People are, by design, so thoroughly ensnared in Steam's ecosystem that they interpret any attack on Valve's monopoly as an attack on themselves.
Yeah it is and it's understandable why people are up in arms about it. It's just people just commenting saying it isn't competing is what bothered me since it is. But I think at this point I'll step away from this since the more important thing is what people think of this practice and I don't want to derail it anymore by trying to get into the definition of competition.
Its funny because there will be no scenario where Steam goes away. Short of someone driving a dump truck fitted with an emp into every server farm its basically eternal. Even if it wasnt just a click of the mouse away and some kind of actual hardware console box would still never go away because people arent going to abandon their hundreds or even thousands of games. And yet despite the platform having no danger to existence people are still losing their shit.
More puzzling still is people defending garbage anti-competition moves that actively take choice away from consumers.
Yes, I agree. It has nothing to do with being forced of using a product with less features at a higher price point. It's all about brand loyalty.
Maybe you're the kind of person who accept anything a big company tries to force onto you, and that's fair, I respect that.
If you're okay when a company makes you pay for a fictionnal online service using P2P online play that was free before or for microtransactions in a 60 bucks game, that's fine. But believe it or not, there are people who like to have a choice and who doesnt like to be forced to pay more for less.
It has nothing to do with a click away or losing their shit but just people who have respect for themselves and dont cherish a company but their own wallet.
Exclusive content/products is competition. I would say people pretending like it's not is the most confusing thing.
Part of the issue isn't moneyhats
Steam/valve doesn't act like Microsoft and Sony. The console makers help publicize games, give then press and help them publish many times. Vavle just dumps your game to their crazy full store. From this post it looks like epic gave more than financial help and being on their less crowded store that is so small it doesn't yet have a search is a major thing for a smaller studio.
No one has been forced to do anything. Not that your meme-level understanding of the situation contributes anything to the discussion.
They've actually been one of the most studied and frequently engaged in the entire Epic/Valve issue over a half-dozen topics on the matter, but perhaps if you were here to post honestly you would know that.
Imagine that this person posted this unironically.
What a time to be alive.
Yeah dude it's definitely Ghost Trick that is the one who hasn't put much thought into this. Great take, would read again.
Whilst I agree games should not only be exclusively on Steam. The game was previously advertised to be released in 2019 on Steam, in addition of having holding it's beta access in the store, before witholding from the said store for a one year exclusivity contract.
Even if unintentional, this move would have caused some uproar among those whom had previously purchased it from early acces or pre-order the product on their given platform and are now unable to purchase it until 2020.