Guess I just expected more than just needing to be combed.
It's probably a mix-up and actually referring to Cersei. His sourced mixed up the dothraki and unsullied as well. He himself seems to be leaning that way now.Can someone explain why the bells trigger Dany? I don't get it.
Can someone explain why the bells trigger Dany? I don't get it.
Ok so it's Cersei being triggered by the bells and the Dothraki doing the pillaging?It's probably a mix-up and actually referring to Cersei. His sourced mixed up the dothraki and unsullied as well. He himself seems to be leaning that way now.
That's how I took it.The bells signal surrender. My personal theory is that Dany cannot accept that the Lannister forces want to get off so easy after killing her advisor, dragon and many of her forces.
One of the less likely leaks said that Arya isn't Arya, but the Waif that took over her appearance and Arya has been dead forever and that's why Nymeria didn't follow her. A+ trolling because I imagine someone will still buy that.
Can someone explain why the bells trigger Dany? I don't get it.
I love this leak the most because it's absolutely the most batshit fuck you ending that this show now deserves.https://imgur.com/a/7ohfM4Y
This appears to be the most trustworthy leak so far (because it got stuff right about episode 4).
I doubt Danny's gonna shout "rape and pillage them" from her dragon even if she does go "mad" lol that'd be on their own accord.Ok so it's Cersei being triggered by the bells and the Dothraki doing the pillaging?
Thank you, that's excactly how I feel about this. The bells will serve as some "artistic" device to underline Dany's descent into madness.I think details like this are where leaks fail because they lose nuance of the scenes.
It's likely bells will be going off throughout the entire raid on KL, because that's when bells are rang (city under attack). Ramin will no doubt incorporate these heavily into his score, like a beating metronome of dread for the battle. I don't think they will be what specifically makes Dany snap but rather the bells time up with her "losing it" as one of the last shots.
I love this leak the most because it's absolutely the most batshit fuck you ending that this show now deserves.
Thank you, that's excactly how I feel about this. The bells will serve as some "artistic" device to underline Dany's descent into madness.
Nah, she's turned into a fAegon standin in the showI wonder if Cersei is actually this prominent as an endgame character in GRRM's story......
You must hate him.
I love this leak the most because it's absolutely the most batshit fuck you ending that this show now deserves.
I wonder if Cersei is actually this prominent as an endgame character in GRRM's story......
You must hate him.
I wonder if Cersei is actually this prominent as an endgame character in GRRM's story......
You must hate him.
Seems like something easy to mistake.I also question the bells being used as Surrender in the leak because that doesnt really exist in the canon
Quote from Varys: "I've always hated bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege".
It's absolutely where I could see the books ending up, but you know, in a way that's cohesive and logical.It's really not that bad. I can see a lot of this coming from GRRM.
ep 5 is still Sapochnik (and it's plain day) so at least it should be cool
brace for ep6 written and directed by Dumbbell & Dumbbell
I always felt that fAegon would've died very anti-climatically in GRRM-fashion. Like in the assault on KL, he insists on leading the charge and gets killed by a random arrow to the face or something.
FF is calling them Bellgate and Spanish Glory haha.team armour leak
or
team bell leak?
A song of ice and fire fanbase civil war
which side are you?
It's absolutely where I could see the books ending up, but you know, in a way that's cohesive and logical.
I also question the bells being used as Surrender in the leak because that doesnt really exist in the canon
Quote from Varys: "I've always hated bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege".
He is not endgame but he's a crucual aspect of getting dany there which the show really did needSpeaking of fAegon, I don't think he's an endgame character in the books. He's being hyped up only to have a very anticlimactic demise in the end, possibly getting brutalized by Dany.
Who didn't flinch after seeing a zombie?
holy fuck
is THIS the 3rd Big WTF related to the faceless men??
Ahahahaha now I remember why we loved Lost in the first place. People are still discussing the ending.
It's absolutely where I could see the books ending up, but you know, in a way that's cohesive and logical.
this seems better than mad dany theoryNo.
Unless you're willing to believe that the Waif:
- killed the Freys (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- hung out at the Inn at the Crossroads with Hot Pie (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- was headed to KL, but decided to turn around and head to WF upon hearing Jon/Sansa had retaken it (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- was spared by Nymeria and pack, who were ready to eat her, because Nymeria was fooled by someone else wearing a mask.
- Boned Gendry (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- Also fooled Mellisendre, a powerful red priestess
- Killed the NK and became the hero of Winterfell
- Decided to travel to KL with the Mountain (in order to stay in character for Arya)
I mean, how much disbelief can one person actually suspend, and for how long? Arya being dead since S6 and being impersonated by the Waif the whole intervening time would be a bigger slap in the face than any of the leaks angering people in this thread. Dany could become the mad hatter and force the residents of KL to eat her baked poop while smoking crack and jazzercising and it still wouldn't be as ridiculous as this.
When he stuck with her after she blew up the Sept and their son killed himself is the point where his character became a farce. If he wasn't going to turn against her after that and just carried on for most of season 7 as he was he hardly seems likely to turn against her at all.We just going to ignore that he was consistently at odds with her last season and starting two seasons ago has increasingly questioned her motivations? The difference between season 1 Jaime and season 7 Jaime is pretty obvious.
I feel that something's got to happen with Jon Connington's grey scale. If Aegon doesn't catch it, it's got to start a new plague or something.Speaking of fAegon, I don't think he's an endgame character in the books. He's being hyped up only to have a very anticlimactic demise in the end, possibly getting brutalized by Dany.
Am I the only one that finds this to he an incredibly lame ending? Seems like such a cheesy way to make a callback to the book title.
Guess it's all in the execution if true.
he is the 2nd actHe is not endgame but he's a crucual aspect of getting dany there which the show really did need
No.
Unless you're willing to believe that the Waif:
- killed the Freys (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- hung out at the Inn at the Crossroads with Hot Pie (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- was headed to KL, but decided to turn around and head to WF upon hearing Jon/Sansa had retaken it (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- was spared by Nymeria and pack, who were ready to eat her, because Nymeria was fooled by someone else wearing a mask.
- Boned Gendry (in order to stay in character for Arya)
- Also fooled Mellisendre, a powerful red priestess
- Killed the NK and became the hero of Winterfell
- Decided to travel to KL with the Mountain (in order to stay in character for Arya)
I mean, how much disbelief can one person actually suspend, and for how long? Arya being dead since S6 and being impersonated by the Waif the whole intervening time would be a bigger slap in the face than any of the leaks angering people in this thread. Dany could become the mad hatter and force the residents of KL to eat her baked poop while smoking crack and jazzercising and it still wouldn't be as ridiculous as this.
Hear me out all the way before you disagree:
It would be a shocking twist if she turned out to have been the Waif all along. It would make us question everything we've seen so far and reframe the narrative, as well as the true might of the Faceless Men. It would explain why Arya survived the sewer, her scene with Nymeria, and even the confrontation with the Night King. Maybe they took advantage of Arya's connections to Westeros to use her face when killing Cersei for defaulting on a debt with the iron bank.
"But," you might protest, "what about the fact that it doesn't make any fucking sense? Like, at fucking all."
You'd be correct. Unless the Waif was fucking Christian Bale as far as method acting goes, literally nothing about her interaction with the Freys would make sense. Also Cersei paid her debt off. And there's a thousand of things that look, if not impossible, improbable enough to stretch the limits of believability if this turned out to be correct.
So what could possibly make this theory valid?
I give you Euron.
Much like book Euron was a pirate wizard capable of using ancient magic to achieve the darkest of deeds, show Euron is capable of achieving anything he wants by the power of "It's super fine tho the script says so." Could this ancient power have been what Euron found in the ruins of Valyria? Perhaps. And we all know how the ancient Empire is connected to the Faceless Men. Therefore, I believe the Waif also has access to this weapon(1).
Therefore, much like Euron was capable of stealth approaching a dragon, somehow having sight on her while she couldn't do the same from a fucking dragon which defies the laws of physics(2) with the power of the ancient Valyrian "It's super fine tho the script says so" I believe the Waif could do the same. The requirements for this ancient spell to be activated seem to involve the act being shocking and look really cool for a split second so long as you don't think about it.
Given this, I believe that Arya will be revealed as being the Waif all along. On top of that, Jaqen will be Syrio, and there will be some vague measure of "Well, but are they? Is anyone really anyone?" tossed in because it's vaguely philosophical, seemingly deep and therefore acceptable. While there is plenty of evidence to make this reveal questionable at best and not much would be gained narratively from this - if anything much would be lost - it would, indeed, be surprising. Thus I position that the ancient power of "no shut up it's fine tho" will be used.
I conclude that there is no way that Arya cannot be the Waif, unless enough of us predict it, making it no longer shocking and therefore robbing the writing staff of its power.
References:
(1) We have flowered in Braavos amongst these northern fogs, but we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. George R. R. Martin. A Feast For Crows (Kindle Locations 6475-6476). Random House Publishing Group.
(2) Euron's huge fucking ballista, https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/blfo4p/spoilers_main_ballistae_physics/
You know Arya, we really are the last Starks.That's an incredibly strange criticism. If GRRM planned a story about "ice and fire," e.g. the Starks and Targaryens and more specifically Jon and Dany being destined in this way, it's not a "cheesy callback" to the title of the series, it's that he named the series after what it's about. That's just how fiction works.
Bronn turning to the camera at the end and saying, "Boy, this really is A Song of Ice and Fire," with a smirk at the end is a cheesy callback.