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Raw64life

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Oct 25, 2017
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Managed to hold off on E4 spoilers but after seeing that episode just said fuck it and came in here to read the rest. I didn't hate it as aggressively as some people in here, but good lord the writing was dreadful in this one.
 

Amnesty

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Nov 7, 2017
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I was disturbed by it. She basically says "I would still be a little girl if I hadn't gone through all that raping and abuse". It was sick.
I interpreted it as her empowering herself through affirming that she values who she is now, despite what has happened to her in the past. I actually hear people share these sentiments with me fairly often in my line of work, which is trauma and crisis counselling. People who have gone through horrible things have told me that more or less they wouldn't be who they are now without those things happening, and when they are reaching out to affirm their strength they use the bad things that have happened to embolden themselves. It doesn't mean they, or Sansa in this case, are saying that it's good that those things happened - it's looking to who they are now and realizing they can't change what's happened so turning it into something that affirms them is empowering.
 

Shy

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Sorry for being a big dummy dumb dumb.

But what is the point of the Night's Watch, now the ice zombies are all dead ?
 

smellyjelly

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Aug 2, 2018
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All I could think when Varys found out
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rucury

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I interpreted it as her empowering herself through affirming that she values who she is now, despite what has happened to her in the past. I actually hear people share these sentiments with me fairly often in my line of work, which is trauma and crisis counselling. People who have gone through horrible things have told me that more or less they wouldn't be who they are now without those things happening, and when they are reaching out to affirm their strength they use the bad things that have happened to embolden themselves.
I can see that happening. But still, they way they wrote that dialogue... Just came off as wrong, sort of like she was glad those things happened to her.
 

Charlie0108

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Oct 29, 2017
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Holy fuck, I don't understand how you write TV this bad.

Why would Euron leave them all alive after sinking their ships?
How did none of them, especially Daenerys flying up in the sky on a dragon, not see an entire fleet sailing towards them?
How did Euron capture Missandei?
Why would Cersei not kill them all at the gates and win the war?

And that's not even a quarter of all the ridiculously, moronic writing this episode had in. How did they put this together and sign off on it as an actual episode of television to be broadcast to the world? How did no-one stop and think "hold on, quite a lot of this makes no sense". I can't believe how hard this show has fallen off a cliff, what a crying shame.
 

Amnesty

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2. Speaking of Dany, when she was charging Euron's ships, why not bank hard in a direction to avoid the arrows, and then fly away and then come in from the rear and light them up? I do not remember seeing any arrows back there...
That's what I thought of too, but I also thought that she was grief stricken and enraged and probably not thinking clearly at that point.
 

Emerson

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean there's nothing left to doubt. That leak got everything that happened in this episode right. No reason to believe the ending is somehow wrong.

At least it'll be good for laughs.

I still don't understand why people keep referencing "a" leak as if there is only one leak that got tonight's events right. There's at least 2 or 3 different leak outlines which are conflicting with each other but all included what happened tonight.
 

Vas

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Oct 25, 2017
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I guess Cleganebowl is on the next episode?
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Fuck, this is real. I'll tell you why: I thought the Bronn shit was the tipoff it's fake. But Bronn was just promised HIghgarden, and thus could be considered a high-lord.

What I don't get is Jon surrendering himself.... to whom? Every power figure left in the world see him as the true king and the alleged council is full of folks who personally adore and revere him. Who would arrest him?
 

Charlie0108

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Oct 29, 2017
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I'm not sure you can really class what Jaime did as a betrayal? Like, he just kinda left? Some of the leaks seemed to imply that he was part of Missandei being captured and that didn't pan out so his plot-line feels a bit up in the air.
 

Window

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Oct 27, 2017
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Haven't seen the episode yet. So did Jaime betray the Starks? That's the one thing I need to know before I go in.
 

Avitus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Episode is fucking trash tier writing apart from the Varys/Tyrion conversation. Whoever wrote that should run the show, not the hacks that did everything else.
 

Quinton

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I still don't understand why people keep referencing "a" leak as if there is only one leak that got tonight's events right. There's at least 2 or 3 different leak outlines which are conflicting with each other but all included what happened tonight.

The one with Sandor building a house instead of dying also had Rhaegal dying next episode instead of this one (and in case there was any lingering doubt here, D&D confirmed he's dead tonight) so I'm disregarding it
 

Flame Flamey

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Feb 8, 2018
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It really makes no sense that Dany or anyone forgot about Euron not just because it's silly and unreasonable to forget about something as important as that, but also because they literally mention the Iron Fleet in the council meeting, that's how the Golden Company made it to Westeros.
 

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Holy fuck, I don't understand how you write TV this bad.

Why would Euron leave them all alive after sinking their ships?
How did none of them, especially Daenerys flying up in the sky on a dragon, not see an entire fleet sailing towards them?
How did Euron capture Missandei?
Why would Cersei not kill them all at the gates and win the war?

And that's not even a quarter of all the ridiculously, moronic writing this episode had in. How did they put this together and sign off on it as an actual episode of television to be broadcast to the world? How did no-one stop and think "hold on, quite a lot of this makes no sense". I can't believe how hard this show has fallen off a cliff, what a crying shame.
I'll tell you why, the masses dont care. Dragon die woow so cool, "GO DANY GO", people nowdays just love moments.
 

Nesotenso

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Oct 26, 2017
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you know what makes me sad? That D&D might be following Martin's story beats. Probably not getting there the same way. But the major points are the same. And I guess we are not getting an explanation regarding the Others
 

Quinton

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Fuck, this is real. I'll tell you why: I thought the Bronn shit was the tipoff it's fake. But Bronn was just promised HIghgarden, and thus could be considered a high-lord.

What I don't get is Jon surrendering himself.... to whom? Every power figure left in the world see him as the true king and the alleged council is full of folks who personally adore and revere him. Who would arrest him?

Generic Dragon Queen soldiers, I guess
 

CoolOff

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Oct 26, 2017
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Like, there's parts of this episode that I really like, and the dynamic of Dany's heel turn is pretty convincing but IT ALL HAPPENS TOO GODDAMN FAST. Missandei getting captured into getting her head lopped off takes place over what, 3-4 scenes in between? There's no room to breathe for anything here.
 

Emerson

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The one with Sandor building a house instead of dying also had Rhaegal dying next episode instead of this one (and in case there was any lingering doubt here, D&D confirmed he's dead tonight) so I'm disregarding it

That's an incredibly soft reason to discount a leak which predicts a death ahead of time but gets the episode wrong. That has happened many times in the past from people who had reputable information.
 

VeryHighlander

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May 9, 2018
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Remember: Sometime last year MASSIVE Vegas bets were placed in favor of Bran for who would sit on the iron throne. People speculated it was insiders from the show. That leak is totally real guys lol RIP game of thrones. Shit turned left really quick.
 

Avitus

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It really makes no sense that Dany or anyone forgot about Euron not just because it's silly and unreasonable to forget about something as important as that, but also because they literally mention the Iron Fleet in the council meeting, that's how the Golden Company made it to Westeros.

Maybe don't joyride around on dragons near your enemies, especially if one of them is wounded.

Fuck, the writing is so bad. You couldn't just have Rhaegal go out fighting or something that at least makes narrative sense. If the whole point is to enrage Dany then why not have him die in the battle of Winterfell? ffs
 

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The whole "Dany forgot about the iron fleet" is just dumb.
I'm fine with Game of Thrones just being dumb entertainment but that's just really dumb.
 

Bugalugs214

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2. Speaking of Dany, when she was charging Euron's ships, why not bank hard in a direction to avoid the arrows, and then fly away and then come in from the rear and light them up? I do not remember seeing any arrows back there...

If their ships in that are as slow to turnaround than the one in Sea of thieves she would've killed them all EASILY!
 

Avitus

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It was made purposely vague but it seemed to me more that he wanted to put an end to things with Cersei one way or another.

He is going to get captured on his way to KL and then nobody will believe his story, Tyrion sets him free. Book it. No 'betrayal' just more bad writing.
 

Sargerus

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you know what makes me sad? That D&D might be following Martin's story beats. Probably not getting there the same way. But the major points are the same. And I guess we are not getting an explanation regarding the Others
Dany going Mad Queen mode, Jon killing Dany, is something i 100% expect to happen in the books. But Bran becoming King is so non-sense i fully expect it to change it in ADoS.

If the fucker ever lives long enough to write that one.
 
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Prolepro

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Nov 6, 2017
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I honestly don't think that the language I've been using is '2000 level literary critique definitions'. I don't think that the words I've been using are all that complex?

And trust me, I question myself all of the time in thinking of the worth or value in trying to confront reactionary consensus. But I also find it fascinating as well, which is why I prod at it like this, it only gives me further insight into that type of thinking, even if I'm disappointed ultimately in the seeming inescapability surrounding it in clusters of people like this.

Also, it didn't really look like Euron's ships were sneaking up on them? I thought they were covered behind the cliffs and when Dany and the dragons came around the bend they shot at them. That's what it looked like to me.

I wasnt saying your language is complex, I was saying it's verbose. Youre just talking in circles about "critiquing the critiques" after a pretty bad take about how the complaints for the show are trash, and then making it about how the complaints aren't "well written" or something based on criteria that you dont explain beyond using vague terms like "repetitive" or "shallow", so they don't hold up as valid criticism. Like, what? You just did yourself what you are apparently "critiquing".

Can you honestly read back what you said if you didnt have any "attachment" to your own opinion and say "that's well written!"?

Can you also see how weird and ineffectual of an argument that is?

Also, how do you hide behind a cliff from and fire at something already out above open sea?
 
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