I think they are talking about this. I saw a tweet from the devs saying this was photoshopped or something along those lines:
Such bullshit that someone made this. Completely clouds the entire affair, too.
How ugly it's gotten everywhere.
I think they are talking about this. I saw a tweet from the devs saying this was photoshopped or something along those lines:
Sympathy towards a guy who liked a tweet basically calling anyone critical of EGS "retards?" Sympathy for death threats, sure, but not beyond that.
Start up a new thread specifically about the harassment if you want that to be the crux of the discussion. Bringing up the devs awful behavior in that context would of course be unwelcome.
It would help if people could read the room. The subject moved on from "Ooblets took a deal with Epic" to "Ooblets' devs have been targeted by a harassment campaign." It's gotten to the point Epic had to release a press statement about it. Save the arguments against Epic for another thread (which is sure to show up soon enough). Take this time to reflect on the toxicity that is present in the gaming community and show some empathy towards the devs.
I wasn't talking about EGS, I was talking about the Ooblets Announcement Situation. The original blog post and some early responses cannot be discussed anymore because however nice you try to be about it, nothing good will come out of trying to "educate" the devs about the issues. That is all I meant.The "oh well" attitude is exactly what I have myself toward the EGS store, as I've explained plenty of times before. This is a forum for that discussion in the first place. Discussion being key here. This is a more unique case where the Ooblets devs have certainly made it less palatable for me to follow the game at all
I'm not the one that bumped this thread with the Epic's tweet about the harassment the devs received. The new discussion clouds over the original one. You are free to keep trying to talk about Epic's misdeeds against the PC gaming community, but don't be surprised people will think you are trying to justify whatever toxicity was directed towards the devs.
Had that tweet not been posted here, I'd agree with you. But the case is that the discussion got derailed to a new subject. You are free to try and get things back on the original topic, but I don't think it will work (or that it's useful, considering this thread was basically dead until that tweet).But this the the Ooblets Epic Deal announcement thread, the harassment is this one:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/epic's-statement-on-misinformation-abuse-see-staff-post.133131/#post-23368832
There's no reason people couldn't discuss both things.
This is how I feel as well, this whole saga feels a little uncomfortably similar to the early stages of GamerGate.Yeah, this has gotten way too vitriolic at this point. I may dislike what Epic's done but my goodness it doesn't deserve this level of anger. This is GamerGate levels of stupidity.
Had that tweet not been posted here, I'd agree with you. But the case is that the discussion got derailed to a new subject. You are free to try and get things back on the original topic, but I don't think it will work (or that it's useful, considering this thread was basically dead until that tweet).
It's the evolution of GamerGate, the very same people. They are still doing what they have always been doing against women, but now they are also doing this and it's escalating just like any other alt-right movement.This is how I feel as well, this whole saga feels a little uncomfortably similar to the early stages of GamerGate.
Yes, but it changes the focus of the discussion from the deal to the devs. For better or for worse, it's now impossible to discuss one without taking into account the other.The tweet is related to the announcement that this thread is about, no?
The egs topics will continue to get uglier as long as it will be treated as a silly thing that will blow over. People have repeatedly said it loudly how much epic is disliked and yet each time an egs deal is announced everyone pretends to be caught off guard by the backlash
Never had a problem with the EGS stuff in this case, that was well argued and fair enough, my problem was with Perplamps of Glumberland (of all people) being continually rude and antagonistic towards well-mannered people on their Discord. That (and the dismissive, condescending tone of the blog post) is why this blew up and something like Untitled Goose Game or Maneater or etc. did not.
But if you took offense at that, you ought to be able to empathize with the much worse situation Glumberland has had to endure. I didn't recognize it for a period of time that was too long, but for a while now we've been beyond the point where it makes sense to move on from that criticism and show Glumberland support against this gamer(tm) hell garbage.
EGS discussion will surely be impacted by this. Probably not in a good way. The ol' general narrative that's been dragging along since the start in February, of if you don't like EGS you're too lazy to click a different icon and are whining about petty things that don't matter, was already bubbling up as this Ooblets oordeal started, and I expect will continue to grow its foothold. Only now you're also an entitled toxic angry gamer asshole who hates developers. And developers will believe this narrative to a larger extent, and probably become more hostile to those who have issues with EGS. And also games media even more than before. And people in general.
Meanwhile all I've been saying is that I don't like EGS because games on it cost me up to 30% more. But through these almost six months, no one seems to want to listen to stuff like that. People just for some reason assume you dislike EGS for no reason. Then they hear the loud angry assholes and assume you're one.
The whole thing is stupid. I feel like it's better to basically just not bother with the topic any longer.
Both because people don't want to listen anyway, and because those angry gamer assholes are out there using it to justify their shitty behavior.
And because I've come to realize that waiting a year is a very valid option and not really that big of a deal to me. I'll just do that and leave it at that.
All they had to do is say "We took the bag." Yikes. When it comes to selling your product, you already have to rely on people liking that product. If you give people a reason to dislike you, let alone so many, they will absolutely find it.
What's odd, is they did say that... They actually perfectly addressed it...
But they buried and surrounded it with a bunch of stuff seemingly intentionally prodding at the fans of the game that wouldnt like the change. That's why I still support the original blog post even though its poorly done. I cannot imagine any reason why you would willingly torpedo yourself like that; it forces me to assume that either they were just naive and didn't realize what they were doing; or it was an attempt at humor and they just FAILED. I refuse to believe this was intentional, it came out of nowhere.
Never underestimate the poor social awareness of brilliant indie designersWhat's odd, is they did say that... They actually perfectly addressed it...
But they buried and surrounded it with a bunch of stuff seemingly intentionally prodding at the fans of the game that wouldnt like the change. That's why I still support the original blog post even though its poorly done. I cannot imagine any reason why you would willingly torpedo yourself like that; it forces me to assume that either they were just naive and didn't realize what they were doing; or it was an attempt at humor and they just FAILED. I refuse to believe this was intentional, it came out of nowhere.
I wasn't talking about EGS, I was talking about the Ooblets Announcement Situation. The original blog post and some early responses cannot be discussed anymore because however nice you try to be about it, nothing good will come out of trying to "educate" the devs about the issues. That is all I meant.
Trying to have a discussion about their tone or whatever instead of standing behind them against the hate is simply mean.
And I repeat, it's not fake news. What that Epic post is about is the actual serious situation. The situation that is two people receiving death threats and have a rampaging hate mob harassing their whole community, not the flippant tone of the devs' messages.
Meanwhile all I've been saying is that I don't like EGS because games on it cost me up to 30% more. But through these almost six months, no one seems to want to listen to stuff like that. People just for some reason assume you dislike EGS for no reason.
Or maybe it's time for certain people to get a fucking grip, gain perspective about where all this shit sits in the grand scheme of life, and get over it.
Who? The people making fakes, issuing death threats, and generally just going into the devs various channels and harassing them? I would certainly agree that those people need to get a grip, for sure.
All those that have over the top rage reactions at the announcement of every new Epic exclusive.
All those that have over the top rage reactions at the announcement of every new Epic exclusive.
I guess it depends on how you define "over the top," but in general, I would agree. Still, in this thread, at least, I feel like most of the frustration and anger came as a result of the words in the blog post and the follow up statements made by the perplamps dude rather than the exclusivity deal itself.
those pesky consumers and their opinions
you, an intellectual: people should just the shut the fuck up and deal with it
honestly i can't believe no one has figured this out before. you can apply this to almost any issue in the world. you absolute genius
I said cut the over the top rage and you translate that to "shut up"
K!
"grand scheme of life" is an argument dismissal technique commonly used when faced with legitimate talking points
the dev, in this very thread, that you are posting in, literally used the same technique and whataboutism to say people should worry about child internment camps or climate change instead
so tell me friend, in the grand scheme of life, is it really worth responding to me? can i hit you with a "go outside and smell the fresh air, be happy you're alive, etc"?
"grand scheme of life" is an argument dismissal technique commonly used when faced with legitimate talking points
the dev, in this very thread, that you are posting in, literally used the same technique and whataboutism to say people should worry about child internment camps or climate change instead
You're referring to the blogpost, right? I feel like you're taking them out of context there, they were clearly referring to things which people should focus their vitriol, hatred and anger at... not fair criticism. Massive difference.
Nobody is saying you can't criticize them or have an opinion that you don't like it or things could be better another way; there no good reason to lump that in with death threats and harassment to try and say they're trying to dismiss talking points.
"spiteful hate campaign" lol wut"Just honest"
This dev went on an epic tirade and began a spiteful hate campaign against anyone who would presume to disagree or criticize their actions.
Goose Game was a good example of "just honest."
Every single thing said here is right even if the tone is a bit condescending. At the end of the day, as inconvenient and draconian as it might be to juggle launchers, this whole "fuck Epic and everyone who takes their cash" thing has gotten so insanely toxic, vitriolic and sickening.
The blog post is still up. You can go read it. It was directed at anyone who might feel angry about their decision, not just those who would have more extreme reactions.
Maybe it's just my read then but I thought he was referring not to people who might feel angry, but people EXPRESSING their anger vehemently on the internet. Being angry doesn't always manifest in sending angry messages to developers, threatening to pirate copies, harassing them etc etc.. like, that shouldn't turn you into being toxic towards them, full stop. That irrational.
That's absolutely incorrect and not true at all. Any experiecened PR person would never release such a statement.
That's something that I'd agree with.If you believe that death threats, hate posts/tweets/messages or threats or commital of piracy are justified because of this, you're acting entitled and you're a trash person. Thems the breaks.
Every single thing said here is right even if the tone is a bit condescending. At the end of the day, as inconvenient and draconian as it might be to juggle launchers, this whole "fuck Epic and everyone who takes their cash" thing has gotten so insanely toxic, vitriolic and sickening.
These are people making video games with limited budgets and a lot of their personal time and health on the line in order to entertain YOU. If a deal helps them keep the lights on and allows their blood, sweat and tears to instantly get some monetary pay off and the only cost to the end user is downloading a free launcher that is separate from their preferred launcher, that's a damn nice deal.
If you believe that death threats, hate posts/tweets/messages or threats or commital of piracy are justified because of this, you're acting entitled and you're a trash person. Thems the breaks.
I'm well aware of the argument and reasons that people hate the EGS, I just think that when people are receiving death threats based on a video game launcher exclusivity deal that maybe it's time to put all of the business practices aside for a moment and come together to stand up for the human beings being threatened with physical violence and having their livelihood exploited by piracy. We're talking about two issues here - EGS exclusivity and threats made by countless members of the community - and one of them is so insignificant compared to the other that it's almost reckless to be concerned with the lesser of the two issues in a time like this.You're ignoring all of the arguments about why this is not just about EGS being just another launcher or not someone's preferred launcher. I'm assuming it's because you don't care, but spend even just a couple of seconds to see why other launchers that are not Steam (even those with their own exclusives) do not get the level of hate that EGS does.
Nobody reasonable in this thread (and hopefully this forum) believes this. Stop propping up strawmen just to beat them up. How about address actual people and their positions of which there are hundreds in this thread. No need for strawmen.
I think it's operative to keep in mind that these AREN'T experienced PR people though. I understand the frustration with their tone here but what was the alternative, put out the same carefully crafted press release announcing Epic exclusivity that countless developers have that winds up yielding the same toxic and vicious reaction? Why not show some awareness of the situation while offering your reasoning, context and a bit of humor? Personally, I would take the earnest and sarcastic tone offered here over the corporate feeling press release that everyone else has done.That's absolutely incorrect and not true at all. Any experiecened PR person would never release such a statement.
That's something that I'd agree with.
Insulting everyone that takes issues with the EGS isn't a humoristic approach.I think it's operative to keep in mind that these AREN'T experienced PR people though. I understand the frustration with their tone here but what was the alternative, put out the same carefully crafted press release announcing Epic exclusivity that countless developers have that winds up yielding the same toxic and vicious reaction? Why not show some awareness of the situation while offering your reasoning, context and a bit of humor? Personally, I would take the earnest and sarcastic tone offered here over the corporate feeling press release that everyone else has done.
I'm well aware of the argument and reasons that people hate the EGS, I just think that when people are receiving death threats based on a video game launcher exclusivity deal that maybe it's time to put all of the business practices aside for a moment and come together to stand up for the human beings being threatened with physical violence and having their livelihood exploited by piracy. We're talking about two issues here - EGS exclusivity and threats made by countless members of the community - and one of them is so insignificant compared to the other that it's almost reckless to be concerned with the lesser of the two issues in a time like this.
I think it's operative to keep in mind that these AREN'T experienced PR people though. I understand the frustration with their tone here but what was the alternative, put out the same carefully crafted press release announcing Epic exclusivity that countless developers have that winds up yielding the same toxic and vicious reaction? Why not show some awareness of the situation while offering your reasoning, context and a bit of humor? Personally, I would take the earnest and sarcastic tone offered here over the corporate feeling press release that everyone else has done.
I've never seen anyone say anything close to thatThe discourse that everyone that has a problem with EGS is part of a hate group is worrisome and scary.
Someone literally said that in the other thread before its reboot.
This thread?They literally said that in the other thread before its reboot.
Try searching for gamergate instead?...and its this https://www.resetera.com/threads/ep...information-abuse.133100/page-3#post-23365138, first time i saw the one you linkedThis thread?
I ctrl + f'd for "hate group" and didn't find a single result. I also just did a forum-wide search for "hate group" and didn't find a single result relating to this story
This thread?
I ctrl + f'd for "hate group" and didn't find a single result. I also just did a forum-wide search for "hate group" and didn't find a single result relating to this story
Where did someone say that "everyone that has a problem with EGS is part of [gamergate]"?
None. I'm pretty sure anyone actually insinuating that is going to catch a ban quickly, the rebooted thread is a graveyard.
Where did someone say that "everyone that has a problem with EGS is part of [gamergate]"?
Where has anyone implied that EVERYONE that has a problem with EGS is part of gamergate?I didn´t say that someone said it, but its pretty clear that was implied.